Am I right that, if I import a dog from Europe, I don't have to ask about endorsements etc because, when the dog is imported to the UK, endorsements are not honoured between countries anyway?

Just trying to work out if this is something I need to discuss with breeders abroad if we import or if it's a non-issue...

When I imported, twice, from the UK to Canada, I bought from breeders I knew and who knew me, so there were no endorsements.   I don't know about endorsements being honoured between KCs of different countries, just that there's no interaction re Kennel Names.  I was aware that the one we registered with the Canadian KC was one known to have been registered in the UK but because I didn't intend to return to the UK, we went ahead but on returning, found we were unable to register our Canadian Kennel name in the UK, despite the owners of the same affix not being active any longer.   I wrote to them but was told only for a four figure sum, would they transfer the name to us.  Hum.

Re endorsements, I think you need to at least talk to the people you are importing from - why would they add endorsements? - and to the UK KC.

I've done it the other way round, exported a pup to Europe and yes they do honour endorsed pedigrees, for the simple reason the UK KC has to 'release' the pedigree as it were.  I'm sure it would be the same if I were to do it the other way round.

When we took ours overseas, we had to apply to the KC for an Export Certificate so they could be registered where we then lived.   Obviously if there was a Not for Export endorsement, no paperwork would be issued.   Would I'd endorsed two I sold to another breeder who then after a couple of years, sold them to a breeder in Europe.  I didn't sell either with endorsements of any kind, because I foolishly trusted that fellow-breeder.

>exported a pup to Europe and yes they do honour endorsed pedigrees

I thought the reason that, as breeders, we were supposed to put the 'Not for Export' endorsement on the pedigree - is partly because once exported, foreign Kennel Clubs won't honour our UK 'Progeny not Eligible for Registration' endorsement??

I had to lift the endorsement on the KC registration in the UK for the puppy owner to be able to register her pup with the German Kennel Club, so if you endorse your pups as not eligible for export, then yes they do honour the endorsements, as I said, or at least that has been my experience.

But that's the UK Kennel Club not giving permission for the foreign KC to register the puppies - they are not going to give an export pedigree if a breeder has put a "not eligible for export" endorsement on the litter.

That has nothing to do with the situation I'm talking about...and is nothing to do with the foreign KC either, it's just the UK KC not giving a UK export pedigree and honouring their own endorsement.

As said, a Not for Export endorsement means that an Export Cert./pedigree won't be issued which in turn, means that dog(s) can't be registered with the Kennel Club of the new country of residence.  Which doesn't really matter UNLESS you want to show/breed in the new country and be able to register any puppies born in the new country.   Whether or not there's another endorsement like Progeny not Eligible for Registration.  If the dog can't be registered with the new KC because there's no Export pedigree, that's it. 

Not for Export shows intent - it doesn't stop any dog from actually being exported - just as with Prog. not eligible for Registration doesn't stop the dog/bitch from being bred from - it just means the offspring can't be registered with the KC of the new country.

The two endorsements are separate.

1234 - if by chance the breeders you intend to import from endorse that pup  (why would they?), without the necessary paperwork you are stuffed re registering it here in the UK or registering any offspring here in the UK for that matter.   I don't think there's any difference whichever direction a dog goes, import or export.   Ask the UK KC!!!!

MamaBas....

The thing is:  I don't think any breeder in Europe would sell a puppy to a UK home with 'not eligible for export pedigree' endorsement on it - why would they do that?  They may as well just sell the pup unregistered entirely... and a UK owner would be very entitled to feel done over, if they did that.  I mean, why purchase a pedigree dog from abroad only not to be able to register the dog where you live??  I don't think many European breeders are going to be placing that one on pups they knowingly sell to the UK into homes they have vetted.

And if they sell the pup without the export pedigree endorsement, I don't think the UK KC will uphold a 'progeny not eligible for registration' endorsement...placed by a foreign KC. 

But unless we hear from someone who's actually imported a pup from Europe and knows about how different KCs deal with endorsements, we are all just speculating really...

I imported a bitch pup from Russia last year and she had no endorsements on her. Endorsements weren't even mentioned. As MamaBas said, if a European breeder is exporting a pedigree dog into the UK they have nothing to gain from putting endorsements on it that mean they can't be registered. I expect most are also going into the showing world as well as those looking for pets are unlikely to go to the trouble and expense of importing when they can get a decent enough dog within the UK.

Thanks!

As far as I know, the UK (and possibly the US) are the only countries that have endorsements. FCI do not.

No endorsements on my import, no mention of it from the breeder either, and I can’t see anywhere for them on my FCI paperwork.

Thanks folks, that's what I thought but just wanted to check.  It's a bit of a delicate conversation to have (especially with the language issue) so if I don't need to have it, even better!