HI. I am new to here and hoping for some advice. I decided to breed one litter off my beautiful [breed removed] bitch. The sire I choose has an excellent pedigree, this was his first time mating too  he was helpful and we stayed quite close throughout the pregnancy.  He then started saying he didn't think he charged enough for his stud fee. When the pups came and they found lovely homes we started the registration process. he has refused to give me any details unless I pay him £800
I now have upset puppy owners and feel very stupid for not having a contract but I also feel it's so unfair.
Can he do this?
I would really appreciate any help.
Thanks in advance

Was there a stud contract or anything written anywhere?
Who would you register them with as the breed isn't recognised by the KC

OPs flag is USA so it would be AKC

I don't know how the registration system works outside the UK, but what stud fee did you pay? If you're in the UK, they can't be registered anyway because it's not a recognised breed in this country.

Thats what i thought but they put the fee in pounds not dollars and dont think the breed is recognised by the AKC either

Contact the relevant Kennel Club would be my suggestion.   This sound like blackmail!! 

Without knowing the breed (breed removed) I can't comment on whether or not it's a recognised breed, but obviously if not, then you can't register the puppies - assuming both sire and dam ARE registered!   From my experience, even if my puppies were always registered with the relevant Kennel Club (country of birth), more of our puppy buyers didn't bother to fill in the Transfer, than did.   They just wanted a happy healthy puppy.

Thanks so much for your responses.
I am in the uk do have jobs idea why I have a USA flag  also I  have just seen they removed the breed? I think because she not recognized by KC so she gets registration with American kennel club.
The person who said it's like blackmail is exactly how I feel! They were leaving nasty messages last night telling me to pay them!

Are you allowed to register puppies with a "Foreign"Kennel Club when the litter is not in the same country ? You cannot do it in the UK nor with the AKC

"A litter is eligible for registration if:
It is the result of a mating between an AKC-registered Sire (male) and an AKC-registered Dam (female) of the same breed.
It is whelped (born) in the U.S.A, its possession or territories (Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, and the Marianna Islands)."

> I am in the uk do have jobs idea why I have a USA flag

I think if you go to your profile, you can remove having any flag. **    This happened to me, and others, a while ago which is why you'll see people with no flag.   I can't remember when mine was restored to UK

**   Just went and checked and you are showing as United States.   You should be able to amend that.

> I think because she not recognized by KC so she gets registration with American kennel club.

The litter can't be registered with the AKC because they weren't born in the USA or any of its territories.

None of this adds up.

If you are in the UK, you cannot register that breed with the UK KC because it's not recognised. 

You also cannot register it with the US KC because you don't live in the US. 

End of.

And you should get registrations signed at the time of mating, to avoid all this.  The stud owner should sign everything they need to sign, immediately after the mating.  That's part of what you're paying for.

> You also cannot register it with the US KC because you don't live in the US. 

I know people with Mini American Shepherds born in UK and registered with AKC

Only if they've moved to the US (the dog).  You can't register a dog with the AKC if you're not using a US address.  So you can lie and say the dog is resident in the US....

Didn't some JRT breeders use the AKC to maintain registrations prior to the breed being recognised here? I suppose that would have been for stock bred from AKC registered parents - but not necessarily born in US territory.

> I  have just seen they removed the breed?

The breed has been removed(by admin) as we aren't allowed to mention breed, especially as you say you have a litter & this can be seen as advertising. ;)

It doesn't appear that the breed is recognised by the AKC either.

Yes, how I wish I got everything signed at that time. Learning the hard way.
He is basically blackmailing me for more money to sign the papers.
The reason I posted was incase anyone aware of any ruling or anything that means you cant deny a puppy its pedigree  and heritage.
I cant see any other option other that paying him the extra money he is requesting. All the puppies are happy in new homes as this dispute has been going on a while, so just to confirm I am not advertising anything!
Just to clear up the kennel club she is with it's the United kennel club in America even though the dog lives in the uk.

However as a one and only time breeder I would advise anyone to get everything in writing no matter how lovely the people seem initially. People can change very quickly especially when money is involved!

Thanks!

Yes it would appear this can happen if sire and dam both registered with the American kennel club as my breed is not recognized with any uk kennel club

I would not pay any more money and would also question if this type of registration is worth the paper it’s written on.

Unless the pups are registered with our KC here (which they can't be), there's zero point in going for registration. The UKC is not the official American KC. Unless your puppy buyers are planning on taking their pups to the US to show them at the UKC, registration with them will mean nothing.

The UKC is an unofficial registry that will register any dog, regardless of its ancestry. I wouldn't waste my money getting 'pedigree' details from the sire's owner.

As breed showing is not an option, (apart from unofficial companion shows), the KC Activity Register might be suitable. It is open to all breeds and crosses, and no permission from stud owner needed. Would allow the owner to compete in all KC dog sports competitions.

I know that we cannot mention breed in case it is seen as advertising, but I am intrigued as to what this breed is which is recognised in the US, but not the UK, that two people have imported. As these pups have already been sold, could we know the breed?

It was admin whom have removed the breed. 
I saw which breed it was, along with a few others who replied early in the thread.

>I am intrigued as to what this breed is which is recognised in the US, but not the UK

I saw which breed it was before the name was removed, presumably by Admin. It's not recognised by the AKC either, only by the registry which seems to be along the lines of DLR. There are plenty of them - or are sold as being them - in the UK. (Not an illegal breed, by the way.)

Can you pm me the breed, the suspense is killing me

Think first two letters of the alphabet.

I quoted directly from the AKC website.

Of course it is possible to falsify the entries on the form, you only need a valid US address.

The UKC don't have such a requirement they just require tje dogs to be registered with them.

When I go onto the AKC website, the breed is listed

>When I go onto the AKC website, the breed is listed

They're listed in the Foundation Stock Service "FSS® breeds are not eligible for AKC registration"

Not an AKC reg breed i agree JG.

I don't see this type of dog ever being recognised due to the huge variants and no particular type other than a leggy bull breed.

Presumably the new owners of the puppies know that “registration” is with the UKC - the unofficial registry? Otherwise, you have a bigger problem if you have advertised the pups as AKC registered...