Hurrah! Herpes vaccs back at vet suppliers this week. Just in time for me personally. I am sure a relief for all!

OMG IS THIS TRUE???

I just emailed the manufacturer to ask and also to ask if the product has been changed at all (don’t want my dog to be a guinea pig!) and I was told:

“Unfortunately we are out of stock of Eurican Herpes and we are currently unable to confirm exactly when the vaccine will be re-stocked. As there are no other canine herpes vaccines available, this means that veterinary practices are unable to offer herpes vaccination to dogs until the current stock issue is resolved. We do understand how disruptive and frustrating it is when vaccines aren’t available. We would like to reassure dog breeders that we are doing everything we can behind the scenes to re-establish supply, and we thank them for their support and patience.

Please contact your veterinary surgeon for further information.”

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My friends bitch has just been vaccinated with CHV.

Super.  I just phoned the manufacturer and they said that a 'small amount' of the vaccine has been released to the market. 

So it sounds like it might not be around for long...

Does anyone know if a vet needs to order in a certain amount of the vaccine (like 5 or 10 vials)?  Or can they just buy single doses?  My vet is trying to get me some but asked me that and I didn't know.

Ok, well to answer the question in case anyone else's vet asks - it appears to be easy to get individual doses of it.  My vet is getting 2 in for our approaching next breeding in a few weeks time.  It's back on the market just in time.  Phew.  Big thanks to Rushwarden for letting us know it is back on the market...

Is everyone finding they have access to this again?

Yes, my vet has 20 or so doses. I have just had my bitch vaccinated yesterday and they said there are no supply issues at present.

Could anyone help me out please? I think my dog has herpes I want to breed him but I don’t want him to pass herpes to the bitch if I put his semen into a turkey baster could she still get the herpes virus?

Probably best to start a new thread so your question will be seen

Herpes is carried in semen (and bodily fluids like saliva) so - yes.  However the vast majority of dogs have herpes, you just need to wait until they don't have a current outbreak of it - and then they won't pass it on if bred from.

Thank you so how do I know when is the best time to breed him and not to breed him

Turkey baster are you being serious ? AI is not a simple procedure & should really only be done by an experienced inseminator with correct equipment & knowledge

As I said I didn’t literally mean a turkey baster I don’t know the actual name of the equipment people use but oh well let’s not make a big fuss about it - I got the  name wrong Annie if you would like to add anything to the topic that would be useful that’s fine go ahead because I’m dying to here it and I’m sure everyone else is and any1 is free to still answer my last question I was talking about before this conversation went side tract even you Annie

https://www.2ndchance.info/herpesvirusdog.htm  any help ? I dont know how much about it but it seems it can  be hard to know if its active if the dog is symptom less which according to a few articles can happen
I am sure someone knows more

As for how u would carry out the Ai I would expect them to also have knowledge of the subject . A good reproductive vet ? And that the bitch is being vaccinated at the appropriate times if u decide to go ahead

I'm not sure how long it takes for a dog's body to clear herpes, but presumably there are symptoms you've noticed which make you think he has it?  (Sores on his genitals?) 

I'd wait until any visible or noticeable symptoms have gone away totally and then give it a few more weeks. 

I'd also recommend that any bitch coming to him has the herpes vaccination beforehand.  That way, he won't be able to pass it on to her and it won't affect the pups and you wouldn't need to wait at all.  The bitch owner can ask their vet to order this in.

Thank you furry friends I’ll have a look at that link by the looks of it there’s quite a lot of info about canine herpes virus so thanks again, my dog has no symptoms but my bitch I breed she gave birth this year and all 7 puppy’s died within 6 days of being born. I think they had herpes as two of them died in the womb, the rest had yellow stools and died one by one rapidly, they seemed to struggle to breath. if anyone out there has had the same problem please comment. I know there is a vaccine called Eurican that lowers chances of her pups catching, is that the one you’re referring to or is there another vaccine that completely protects them from it?

There's only one vaccine for herpes and that's the one you mention - Eurican 205.  The bitch needs a shot of it either before mating (but after her season has started) or within I think 7-10 days of mating, and then a 2nd shot just before she whelps.

If a pregnant bitch had a cesarian would that lower the risk of the puppies catching CHV by 100%? I’ve read that when they are born and come out of the vulva they catch CHV from the secretions and when a bitch is most stressed is when she sheds CHV so when she’s about to give birth I would assume that surely a cesarian would make it safe? Has anyone bred a CHV positive bitch that has a successful method of preventing puppies from catching CHV?

I would have thought that giving the vaccine would be safer than subjecting the bitch to an unnecessary cesarian.

Obviously you would give the bitch both injections as well and It wouldn’t be unnecessary it would be to protect the puppies and give them a higher rate of survival from catching CHV, after reading everything by the sounds of it the vaccine isn’t 100% accurate as the puppies are going to be in direct contact with the virus when they are born, but surely what I’m saying is that when there in the Womb they would be protected in the sack, I don’t know I’m just chucking suggestions out there I want some one that’s actually cracked this and knows a better way to deal with this rather than just hoping the puppies are going to be born fine, after seeing how sad my bitch was and her trying to eat them I’m not willing to put another bitch through it I’ve got my bitch spayed after that happed as I couldn’t risk putting her through that again it was meant to be her first and only litter but I was not aware of herpes virus at the time and my bitch Payed for it so I’m just trying to help people out there with a solution to this problem

And another thing how long would you separate the puppies from mum? I’m assuming you wouldn’t let them near her till they are old enough and have built an immune system to fight the virus off incase they was to get in contact with CHV.

You would never separate the bitch and pups.  A vaccination 1 week after mating and another one 1 week before whelping is what would be recommended.

The herpes vaccine is about 98% reliable if you give both shots, it is an extremely effective vaccine:  https://vandekloostertuin.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Canine-Herpes-Seminar.pdf

A c section will do nothing if pups are absorbed at 3 weeks old due to herpes, since that's the other way it works - it causes absorption and zero puppies.  If a bitch contracts herpes at mating, she won't whelp pups at all - they will be absorbed.  Pups die after whelping when the bitch contracts it in the last 3 weeks of her pregnancy.  (To be honest, the symptoms you describe don't sound like CHV to me at all - so I suspect you are barking up the wrong tree.  THe only way to know what it was and if it will happen again, was to get a vet to do a necropsy on the pups.  Herpes is very easy to spot in a necropsy - all the organs are covered with red lesions.)

You need to give both shots of it if you want that 98% efficacy, because the 2nd shot boosts the first.  If you only give the first shot I think it's something like 70% effective - see research paper above.  Which means that three quarters of puppies survive.

Herpes doesn't cause bitches to attack their puppies, so if you had that going on, you need to be looking elsewhere for a cause but I would strongly recommend proper calcium supplementation because that's the sort of poor mothering which is caused by a calcium deficit.

Yes your right about the vaccinations partly, and to what you said (YOU SHOULD NEVER SEPARATE THE BITCH AND PUPPYS) sometimes you have to, but then saying that this is one of those things where some people would separate the puppy’s from a mother that has a virus that could potentially kill them and others that might not, I think that mainly comes down to if you have experience the knowledge of breeding dogs and the time, other people like yourself might not have the knowledge and you might not have the time, but there are people like myself that have the time knowledge and that are willing to wake up every 2 hours to feed them which you can do, there’s goats milk specially made for puppy’s I’ve done it as one puppy from a litter of my other bitch was small and underweight I fed him and he ended up being one of the biggest of the litter, I’d rather lose sleep and look after a puppy or a litter myself than watch Them die because trust me once they have the virus it’s all down hill from there and there’s nothing the vets can do they advised me to feed them with goats milk through a syringe and to separate them from mum as my bitch new her young weren’t well and she was trying to eat them so yeah If I was to do it again I would 100% separate them, because if I had known from the start that she had herpes and I got her the jabs payed for her to have a c-section and took them from there mum they most probably would of had a much higher survival rate

Please be assured that I do not keep my pups with their mum due to lack of time or knowledge.  The best food for a pup is what their mum produces.  My pups are not left unsupervised for the first few weeks of life and for the first few days someone is always awake by the whelping box to ensure there are no problem.  It doesn’t sound like your pups died due to herpes.  I always use the herpes vaccine.

And to 123 that’s not 100% then is it, my bitch was breed twice with the same dog the first time we tried she didn’t get pregnant but then she got pregnant on her next Season when we tried again, which I’m saying the virus must of been laying dormant till she was about to give birth so don’t bark up the wrong tree 123 and obviously CHV doesn’t make a bitch attack her puppies , I didn’t  even say attack I said that she went to eat them if you have ever breed a dog and there’s a runt the bitch will either eat them or hide them under the bed for instance, do your research more because your just repeating what you’ve read it’s not hard facts I’m sure there’s someone out there that can back me up on this, and finally the vets did do a test on the dead puppies and it was herpes and I’m sure a c-section will help as long as she doesn’t shed while she is pregnant it’s only usually during the end as she is most stressed anyone that has had a bitch with CHV and that has had a C-section with both injections please comment.

Of course her milk is best for her puppies but your not breeding a healthy dog are you your breeding a dog with CHV and how would you know if my bitch had herpes or not lol please tell me I’d like to know and I don’t know how you always use the vaccine as it’s been out of stock for a long time

I don’t know if my bitches carry the virus but thankfully I have had the knowledge to use the vaccine. It has been out of stock at times but as I don’t churn out litters constantly, I have been lucky to be able to source it when required.

Well why are you saying to me then not to separate the puppies from mum when your bitch hasn’t even had a litter with CHV or been diagnosed with CHV unless your bitch has CHV or has had puppies with CHV best just to keep the comments to yourself I want to here from people that have been through this so far people are just writing ✍️ on here what they have looked up

My bitches might have CHV but they have been vaccinated at the right time. Done properly there would be no need to separate.  It seems like you are looking for one person to agree with you and for them to say that they lost a litter to CHV, mated the same bitch again, used the vaccine second time round, insisted on an unnecessary c-section and then hand reared the pups successfully.  I don’t think the person you are looking for exists.

If you vaccinate, there is no need to risk putting your bitch through a c section and certainly no need to removed the pups from the bitch.
The risk of losing a pup through a cesarian and not giving it the dams colostrum and keeping it away from the dam would be far higher than the risk of the vaccine being ineffective.
Though you seem rather defensive, you must understand that the people replying to your posts on this forum are, by and large, very experienced breeders who are actually trying to offer you sound advice.