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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / retained dead pup
- By JenP Date 28.01.19 15:39 UTC
Has anyone experienced a retained dead pup?
My girl gave birth to 7 healthy pups yesterday and seemed finished.  Settled in an all pups doing well.  However, this morning she started pushing and I saw some green fluid on thet vetbed.  I took her to the vets and they scanned her  and found a dead pup still there.  She has come home having had two shots of oxytocin so see if she can deliver it, otherwise will go back to have surgery.  Has anyone else experienced this and can give advice on what I can expect?
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 28.01.19 17:06 UTC
Yoiks re the oxytocin - was she still dilated because that stuff can be dangerous.  I had one who went into the usual secondary inertia (for mine), took her into a new vet (we'd moved a week before - bad timing).   They checked her out, felt she would be ok with a shot (dilated enough) and sent me home with 2 more shots to give her myself - bearing in mind this was in rural Canada, and a large animal practice as well as small animals.  Nothing happened from the first shot, and as I honestly didn't feel equipped to give her the shots they'd given me, I loaded her back into the car and back to the vet.   They did a C.Section.   On another occasion, having spent all night in the vet's office (he lived over the Practice), having to phone to get him down to give her another shot, all night, the next morning he checked her out and said she was empty.   We came home and Iwent to sort myself out, leaving hubby to watch the pups and mum - he yelled, she's having another.....she was.  Despite him feeling, he'd not felt her (bitch puppy) - she was a big pup, but must have been in the birth canal, out of reach of his fingers.   But she was alive.

Personally if they have confirmed a dead puppy and the shot(s) doesn't work, and soon, I'd be straight back.   Obviously they may well have to open her up (Sods Law, especially for a dead one), but for her welfare, all that needs to come out or she'll be in big trouble.  I think I'd have asked them to operate rather than bring her home in the hope she delivers this puppy.   I hope she'll be ok.
- By JenP Date 28.01.19 18:00 UTC
Thank you for your reply.  He did an internal to see if there was any obstruction (so I assume he must have checked that he was dilated enough) and it was my suggestion to take her home as she was distracted by getting the the pups which he had taken into the next consulting room.  Knowing her, I thought she would be happier at home and the feeding of the pups may stimulate the uterus too?
He told me to give it a couple of hours and if not she would need to have a c-section.  I had just come off the phone booking her in for a c-section tomorrow morning (he saw no urgency as she was not distressed ) and she delivered the pup :(  Heartbreaking and shed a few tears but relieved she has been spared a c-section and have 7 healthy pups to look after.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 28.01.19 18:03 UTC
Yes, despite vet saying empty, my bitch passed a dead pup 1 1/2 days after last of a litter of 11 with only 7 surviving as vet refused oxytocin for three hours after first pup born.
- By onetwothreefour Date 28.01.19 22:16 UTC Upvotes 1
I would not be worried about oxytocin if all the live pups are out and it's about expelling dead pup or retained placentas etc - a clear out shot. 

The main risk with oxy being given too early or when pups are inside is that it detaches all the placentas from the uterine wall and the pups are all then on a timer and need to be born before that placenta stops supplying them with oxygen - and it can be hard for many pups to make it out in the right time frame. 

But in this situation, I don't see any harm.  I hope she passes the dead pup and I'd give it a day or so, as Brainless says...
Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / retained dead pup

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