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- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 00:16 UTC Upvotes 1
Hi I have a 8 month old French bulldog , fed on raw from10 weeks old with no problems until she got to about 6 months old .At first she only brought up a very small amount of food once or twice a day .but not every day ,since last Wednesday she has brought up undigested food every day roughly about 10 times or more a day .She seems ok in herself her poos are hard she eats well .Ive been to the vets and  jam awaiting a consultation so she can have a endoscopy .   Anyone have any ideas what it could be . o she is fed twice a day 8.30 and 5.30 .. Thank you ,
- By Lexy [gb] Date 13.11.18 06:14 UTC
I would be feeding an 8 month 3 times a day, this is worth you trying to see if it helps but you may also need to take to a vet.
- By cambria Date 13.11.18 07:54 UTC Upvotes 1
I would use a raised feeder or get your pup upright and hand feed. Not saying its a form of megasophagus but blended food like a slop and at regular intervals and in an upright position. Look up bailey chairs and that's the angle i mean to do the feeding.
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 08:23 UTC
Thanks for your reply I have already taken her to the vet ,that was my next move instead of feeding her twice a day moving her to four feeds a day .
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 08:28 UTC
I might add a little water to her feed .I have got a slow feeding dog bowl for her ,had that about 4 days , good plan to raise her bowl . thank you
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 13.11.18 08:29 UTC
Normally speaking, as long as the weight is right, by 8 months most pups would be on 2 meals a day, dropping lunch but perhaps upping the amount of food at the 2 meals a bit.   And they should be able to move to either a Junior version of the same brand, or Adult even.   I know Burns say after 6 months, pups should be fine on adult food.

HOWEVER with what's going on, you may well have to do differently, at least to stop all this barfing the undigested food back.   Does she eat fast becaused this might just be that, although that should only mean one bit of vomiting, I'd have thought.   One thing I'd not get into is hand feeding.

I hope you can get to the bottom of what's going on and that it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to do so.
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 08:35 UTC
She is on natural instinct puppy food ,the recommended amount 5to7 % of her body weight .her weight is 8.38kg so about 400grams a day .
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 08:37 UTC
The bowl I have bought has slowed her down a lot , she is taking over 5 mins to eat her food now instead of 1 to 2 mins .
- By furriefriends Date 13.11.18 08:58 UTC Edited 13.11.18 09:09 UTC
Another possibility is GERD gastrict esophageal reflux disease
. obviously the vet will diagnose  whatever it is and be able to treat .it is manageable so don't worry
.i agree more small meals .slow her down as u have .
muffin trays are good as u can put her food into each one and she will take longer to eat and they are cheaper than the slow bowls
Hopefully u can soon get to the bottom of the problem .
- By furriefriends Date 13.11.18 09:03 UTC
She can be moved quite easily on to adult natural instinct but if she was mine and  given her current issue leave her food as it is until u have a better grasp of the problem .
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 09:13 UTC Upvotes 1
I have taken her to my local vet and they have referred me to north west vets at frodsham ,we are going on Thursday  .
- By furriefriends Date 13.11.18 09:16 UTC Edited 13.11.18 09:21 UTC
Hope they find what's happening .have they given u anything to help her or has the regurgitation slowed ? I am sure if anything changes u will be back down the vet very quickly .its a worry especially in one so young
- By Louise Badcock [gb] Date 13.11.18 09:27 UTC Upvotes 1
At 8 months this amount MIGHT be too much. This may seem a simplistic idea.
My Sheltie was fed according to text book and got too fat.
Now on permanent diet of not more than 100gm a day in 2 meals. This is a raw complete food. She weighs about the same as yours. 8.5Kg.
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 09:27 UTC Upvotes 1
The vet has given me some anti sickness tablets ,she has had 1 , fed this morning and nothing yet , since last Wednesday she has been sick everyday about 10 times a day apart from yesterday she was sick about 20 times only small amounts
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 09:33 UTC
Thanks for your answer she is not overweight ,I think she is on the slim side . I went to a dog show at the weekend ,and a breeder said to me she never gave her dogs raw as it keeps them on the slim side ,Another breeder told me that they fed all their dogs on raw , very confusing ,
- By furriefriends Date 13.11.18 10:17 UTC Upvotes 2
I feed raw and am involved with a number of raw feeding  dog groups. raw doesn't keep slim or make them fat its about watching the dogs condition and adapting from the guide %  if need be.
At 8 months 5 to 7 % is on the high side but as Natural instinct usually includes fruit and veg you often have to feed a bit more than those feeding just meat offal and bone. pups on raw are fed a lot more than an adult . my 25 kg adult is only on 500 grams per day or she becomes roly poly .

nothing wrong with a slim dog many dogs are actually overweight and we get so used to seeing it we forget what they should look like and pups change so fast
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 13.11.18 13:00 UTC
You are not wrong re it being confusing, but just as with a complete dry diet, not all food suits all dogs, and neither does feeding raw suit all owners either!!   Personally I've never felt confident enough to raw feed, or had the time with a small kennel.   I researched what might/should be best to keep mine on, and stuck with that.   And mine lived, with only a couple of exceptions, beyond the norm for the breed, and with minimal need of a vet but boy am I making up for that with my current Basset who wasn't home-bred.

But getting back to your dog - in your OP you say her stools are 'hard', but are they really that because they should be formed, but not 'hard'!   Vomiting that often can't be good for her (obviously) and as dog's digestive systems should rest, unlike cats who snack, I do wonder whether 'little and often' is the right way forward?  Could it be that she's quite simply being given too MUCH food, and being greedy, eats more than she should?

Has your vet ruled out some blockage going on?

I'll be watching with interest re what IS causing this.
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 13:29 UTC
I don't think its the amount that's wrong  Wednesday morning fed  at 8.30 and Iusually feed he again at 5.30 but was going to ring craft and she had been bringing small amounts up during the day so I fed her latter ,and still brings smalll amounts up . I've moved her onto 4 feeds a day ,see how it goes ..
- By Whatevernext Date 13.11.18 13:53 UTC Upvotes 1
Might not be this at all but worth taking a read to be aware if not already.

https://vet4bulldog.com/zen-bulldog-maintenance/digestion-and-dental-problems-in-bulldogs-and-french-bulldogs/megaesophagus-in-bulldogs-and-french-bulldogs/
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 13.11.18 16:22 UTC
^^   Mmm interesting.  It's amazing how much more there is to learn on an all-breed website!   I'd never have gone to this. :grin:
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 16:34 UTC
Very interesting ,every day is a school day.i did a lot of research about the breed before we got a pup .Her father is tested to gold standard and mum is also tested for the known genetic problems with the breed and both are clear .Guess you cannot test for everything .
- By cambria Date 13.11.18 17:22 UTC Upvotes 1
Thats what i posted above hence the blitzing of food and feeding in a more upright position.
- By presto [gb] Date 13.11.18 18:29 UTC
Thank you everyone for all the replies ,  I will get to the bottom of her problem . The post was very helpful some stuff I already know and some I didn't  .
- By presto [gb] Date 15.11.18 13:28 UTC
just back from the vets , he had a good look at her ,she had a full mot ,which involved me jogging up and down the car park with her for 3 mins ,to check her breathing first ,conclusion could be s hernia . Decided to go with raising her feeding bowl putting her on 4 feeds  and giving her medication to see how she goes on . If no improvement its scans and x rays and maybe an op . I think I might become a vet ,the two patients infro nt of me was a frenchi puppy the bill was 4 grand the next patient a cat 3 grand  ,I nearly went home haha
- By Whatevernext Date 15.11.18 13:34 UTC Upvotes 1
On Paul O'Grady dog programme last night it showed a bull dog being fed by hand with food above it's head so it would go straight down oesophagus.  Just thinking about the angle you need to get the dog's head/throat and raising the bowl might not be as good.  Hope she gets sorted.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 15.11.18 14:18 UTC Upvotes 2

> I think I might become a vet ,the two patients infro nt of me was a frenchi puppy the bill was 4 grand the next patient a cat 3 grand  ,I nearly went home haha


I always thought I should have found a vet to MARRY   :grin:
- By presto [gb] Date 15.11.18 14:22 UTC
And it was only half ten in the morning .
- By furriefriends Date 15.11.18 16:37 UTC Edited 15.11.18 16:41 UTC
I think that dog had just had boas surgery which I guess was one of things he was checking with your jogging :) looked good later . Hence the small balls of food and hand feeding .
Cambria's earlier advice was good at least until u know the full problem and making him eat slowly could help
- By LouiseDDB [gb] Date 16.11.18 10:33 UTC
A friends dog (frenchie) has a hietal hernia. This is where their is a small hole in the diaphragm and stomach and intestines go through. She is fed and kept in vertical postition for a while. She was operated on but the specialist made a complete hash of it, she nearly didn't make it. Tissue broken down, stitching failed emergency surgery and now back to sq1

At her age she would need 2 meals per day. Have you tried cooked meat to see if the raw is no longer agreeing with her. I'm a long time raw feeder but some dogs just don't get on with it. Or a different brand without veg. Or something that she can chew, chunks and bone not just mincey mush?
- By presto [gb] Date 16.11.18 11:45 UTC
The vet has advised us to take her of raw food because if all the bacteria in it , but not yet until she is sorted .The vet does not sell any dog food . Now that's opened a can of worms .:lol:
- By presto [gb] Date 16.11.18 21:46 UTC
Here we go again ,the dog has been burping a lot today but not bringing anything up ,but the smell , the house absolutely stinks really bad like rotten eggs . Tonight she brout all her tea up it looked undigested and stunk I've mopped the floor twice and it still stinks .
- By furriefriends Date 16.11.18 22:08 UTC
I bet it has ;( I am sure you will do what you think is best
- By cambria Date 16.11.18 22:25 UTC
Are you blitzing the meals up like in a soup like consistency and feeding little by little? That may help aid it going down and staying down. Try getting the dog in a more upright position.
Also try yoghurt too, that should slip down off a spoon at a time
- By presto [gb] Date 16.11.18 22:28 UTC
she is fine in herself she is eating and drinking ok not in any pain ,I gave her a good brush today she's just her normal self ,its a mystery .
- By presto [gb] Date 19.11.18 09:26 UTC
Got up this morning and the smell the whole house stinks like rotten eggs ,don't think the antisicknes drugs are working ,she had been sick in her bed  ,she hadn't been sick all day but burping a lot and they were very smelly . S he is outside now playing like nothings happened .
- By furriefriends Date 19.11.18 09:32 UTC
Has the vet suggested a drug called ranitidene also known as zantax ? It's used in humans and dogs for acid  reflux which can include regurgitation ?
- By presto [gb] Date 19.11.18 09:38 UTC Upvotes 1
She is taking omeprazole ,I think they are similar .
- By cambria Date 19.11.18 12:07 UTC Upvotes 1
When is the pup going in for further diagnostics?
If its something like megasphogus then a barium xray is needed as that will show it up
- By furriefriends Date 19.11.18 12:39 UTC
They are similar but work in different ways.might be worth trying the other. Personally I've used both and find ranitidene works better for me
- By furriefriends Date 19.11.18 12:45 UTC
Just FYI there is a vet called Tom bingham thatknown as the bulldog god apparently he is amazing and specialises in those breeds . Think he is in the Nottingham area but would need to check
might be useful if u can't get to the bottom of this with yours
- By cambria Date 19.11.18 16:34 UTC Upvotes 1
There is also a top Bulldog vet in Surrey too. As we don't know where you live. I think he is Redhill way
- By presto [gb] Date 19.11.18 23:39 UTC
We live in Preston , rang the vet today ,told me to reduce the dose from 2 tabs a day down to 1 .
- By presto [gb] Date 20.11.18 00:05 UTC
Going to a different vet on Friday ,hopefully straight in with X-rays this time .I would take her to the bulldog vet in Birmingham ,but I wouldn't make it the smell would knock an elephant out .
- By Wait Ok Date 20.11.18 09:26 UTC
I'm sorry that I am jumping on board this post, I have glanced through replies very quickly. I am a raw feeder of 40 years.

I have never come across such problems within raw feeding , but I wonder if you should introduce some "natural" enzymes to your dogs gut to help with digestion.
Green tripe is full of good natural enzymes, "Natural live" yoghurt, (plain NOT flavoured), (Kefir) is an extremely good brand. A generous desert spoon full  with each feed.
Also as mentioned feed meat on the bone to slow down consumption.
I know that the green tripe absolutely STINKS! but it is highly nutritious with loads of beneficial enzymes.

Are you giving any treats in between meals?

I hope you solve your problems, I know just what stinky farts and burps are like after "thieves" steal and consume some of the butchers waste that we get
each week. They don't very often steal it, but it puts a smile on their faces for a couple of days. PHEW !!
- By Wait Ok Date 20.11.18 09:35 UTC Upvotes 1
Just another suggestion.
Have you thought of speaking to a Raw feeding vet?

Mark Elliott, 01243 779111 or Nick Thompson, 01255 487778
- By presto [gb] Date 20.11.18 09:38 UTC
We do not feed her anything else only her raw food . Just a thought maybe clutching at straws and overthinking thinks .When I feed her from her normal bowl she eats the lot in under 1 min ,moving on to the slow feeding bowl she eats her food in about 3 mins .Does that mean she is taking in 3 x more air than she normally would . Told you I was overthinking thinks .
- By Whatevernext Date 20.11.18 11:12 UTC
Are you feeding with her jaw raised to the ceiling with the food rolled into small balls so it passes straight down oesophagus?
- By presto [gb] Date 23.11.18 17:41 UTC Upvotes 1
Update took her to a different vet today ,gave her blood tests and more tablets again advised us to take her off raw food and their going to do a moving barium meal scan next week so they can follow the whole process of her swallowing from beginning to end .
- By suejaw Date 23.11.18 17:57 UTC
Thats good news.. hopefully the barium xray will show anything like thats been suggested.
- By furriefriends Date 23.11.18 19:36 UTC
Likely to be taking in less if she isn't gulping as much. I think u really need some results from investigation to help us get a better idea of what is happening and if there is a physical problem tbh
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