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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Day 62 and waiting!! (locked)
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 21.09.18 05:56 UTC
Hello all,

I have been reading forums on this site for a while now about other peoples whelping experiences and you all are so wonderful the way you help people that need advice. I have been breeding for a while and I now have a girl that has had two other litter and whelped both of those litters on day 60 with no problems what so ever 12 hours after temp drop. This time she is going to throw me off i guess lol just to be stubborn lol. At least I hope that is the reason she is on day 62 from first breeding and 59 from second. Her temp has been fluctuating between 99.1-100.1 over the last week witch I know is normal. Have any of you ever had a girl to have one litter later than others she has had? Thanks in advance for all your advice and replies.:grin:
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 21.09.18 07:04 UTC
I have never left mine more than a couple of days BEYOND day 62, from the first mating although I know conception may not have taken place on that exact day, without involving my vet.   I didn't set much score by temperature but you do know that it's going to fluctuate for some while, labour not normally starting until it goes down, significantly down which 99.1 isn't, and stays down.

No two pregnancies/labour/whelping etc. are the same however.   So quite possibly what she did the TWO? times before were then, not necessarily with this pregnancy.   Only you can see how she is, discharge, being max. uncomfortable etc. and whether she needs a vet at this stage.  She is that bit older too.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 21.09.18 07:22 UTC

> Have any of you ever had a girl to have one litter later than others she has had?


Yes, first litter whelped at 58 days from single mating, and her last litter was 67 days.

Pregnancy screening by palpation and scan in the latter litter at 30 days showed a less advanced pregnancy and litter was small, so she was mated early, and didn't conceive for some time.

Unless you had progesterone testing whelping dates can vary hugely, as you don't know hen they ovulated and conceived.
- By onetwothreefour Date 21.09.18 07:54 UTC
The length of time of canine pregnancy can appear to vary widely.  In actual fact, it doesn't:  But semen can live at least 5 days in the bitch and the eggs will remain ripe for 2 days.  So unless you know exactly when ovulation was, via progesterone testing OR you know when the bitch entered diestrus via cytology, you really don't know when she will whelp.  It can be as late as 65+ days.
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 21.09.18 10:03 UTC
Thanks guys. She is doing very well. She has been shedding her mucous plug over the last 3 days. Her vulva is very swollen. It has swollen more so today. If I am not in the bedroom with her she paces up and down the hall staring at me lol. Very bossy she is. This is actually my first time of having a bitch to go to 63 days before whelping. I have been reading alot of the posts on this site and just enjoy hearing all of you guys thoughts and opinions. I was just wondering how much you alls bitches varied between different litters. Thank you so much for your replies. :grin:

p/s...This is her 60 day from her second mating not 59th. Exhaustion is kicking in. She was mated July 21 and 23.
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 22.09.18 00:08 UTC
Days 63/ 61 from breedings and still going strong lol. However we have had a little more mucous and the puppies have slowed down a little bit in movement and she is not eating as much as usual. She has always ate like a champ right up to and through whelping before. She is doing it all backwards this time lol. I think she is doing this just to keep me on my toes lol. :wink:
- By Lexy [gb] Date 22.09.18 06:42 UTC Edited 22.09.18 06:47 UTC
If she was mated on 21 & 23 july she would be due 22 & 24 september going by a gestation table :wink:.
From what your describing in you most recent post she sounds like its might be very inimant.
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 22.09.18 17:07 UTC
Yes her temp started slowly dropping late last night. Then at 6 am this morning we had the dramatic drop from 99.1 to 98.1. Been holding between 98.1 and 98.3 all day. So this was my drop. Hopefully we will have babies between 6 this evening and 6 in the morning (12 to 24 hours from temp drop). Praying for a safe and easy whelping. I called my vet and informed her to the drop and she said now comes the fun part...waiting lol.
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 22.09.18 23:09 UTC Upvotes 1
It is 6 pm here right now. She is becoming more clingy and uncomfortable. She has started the blank stare thing they do lol. She has started nesting a little. Me and my daughter have decided to keep her here at my office (I had a bedroom with two comfortable beds built onto it and a kitchen for when it snows and we cannot get home therefore we got the comforts of home right here) because my vets office is just two mins away from here. And i have already put a call into her and gave her a heads up. I will update as soon as something more happens.
- By onetwothreefour Date 23.09.18 09:23 UTC
Any news??
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 23.09.18 10:50 UTC Edited 23.09.18 10:53 UTC
We have had a night of hell lol. Everything started off scary and bad. First thing she did when her contractions started was gush out dark green ( Bad Bad sign) so i called the vet. my usual vet not on call the man kept telling me to give her more time (must have worried more about his sat night plans) but I knew there was not much time to give. She finally presented a water sac with healthy clear fluids so I thought well maybe things will speed up. About an hour later another water sac but she broke it before i could get a good look at it. about 3 hours later i did an internal and done some feathering to try to get things going better.After another hour of barely pushing i did another internal and found one foot with no sac so i knew then what the other sac was. So I reached farther up till I found the other foot and tail and started pulling very gently at every contraction until I got him down enough for her to get him pushed out. I knew he was alive when I found his foot because he would move his feet and it took me several tries to get a good grip on his legs. Right before I got him out they stopped. I thought well you cant kill a dead pup but he has to come out. He was blue once I got him out but thankfully I got him back. He was a BIG beautiful red and white boy.

While I was still getting him rubbed down and going my daughter said BABY MOM BABY. I looked up and a solid white was on the blanket in its sac. She was right behind the boy lol.
We now have 5 beautiful babies and a happy mom. The x-ray showed 5 and I am hoping for no more surprises lol. It has been a very long night. 3 girls and 2 boys. All happy and healthy.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 23.09.18 11:08 UTC
Well done mum, and you although I'm not sure I'd have gone in to get a puppy out, to be honest.   I hope the area/you were as sterile as possible n case of introducing infection.    Are you planning on having your vet out to check all is well?   I would say that as x-rays are more accurate than scans, if that showed 5 and you have 5, she is now empty.

As a matter of interest, do you have experience with livestock births where farmers do go in, if necessary?
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 23.09.18 11:44 UTC
Yes I was completely sterile. I am a nurse and I had all the sterile things I needed here for this occasion. She gave birth on the blue sterile drapes for surgery and i used surgical gloves that come in sterile packages. Yeah I am going to call the vet as soon as the office opens and take them to be checked out. It is just 6:30 am here right now. I grew up on a farm and have pulled my share of foals and calves but this was my first pup. And it was extremely scary. But I knew he had to come out.
- By Lexy [gb] Date 23.09.18 12:24 UTC

> <br />As a matter of interest, do you have experience with livestock births where farmers do go in, if necessary?


just to say....Whilst we had pulled many a calf from a cow, we have never pulled a puppy from a bitch in the same manner :wink:
- By onetwothreefour Date 23.09.18 12:58 UTC
Super excellent, these methods are what I also do :)  I was going to say - if still stuck, you can always use a syringe to put some KY Jelly up there, which helps lubricate things.  Sometimes, when the sac bursts in side, and especially when the first pup is foot-first, there isn't enough lubrication in there.  The sac itself, when on the pup, provides that. 

So sometimes some KY Jelly can help at times like this.  Phew, glad you got him back... :)
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 23.09.18 13:11 UTC
Oh well done you again then :eek:.    It's interesting to be able to use what's been learnt along the way eh.   I could have done with you on my side, on occasion, for sure.   I had absolutely no hands-on knowledge prior to our first experience of whelping - so managed to have to get my bitch to my vet, some distance away when the second (of only 2) was well and truly stuck.   Panic!   Just pure panic.   I hope it all goes smoothly now, and at least for now, you can get some shut-eye.   Generally speaking with mine, the first 3 weeks were comparatively easy in terms of my involvement, other than the basics.
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 23.09.18 15:52 UTC
I hear ya Lexy, Like I said I have pulled my share of foals and calves but this was my first time pulling a pup from a bitch and let me tell ya the foals and caves are very much easier lol. It is something I hope I never have to do again. But if it would save the bitch and the pups from useless vets that can not be bothered on a sat night then I would give it my best shot without and hesitation.

Thanks onetwothreefour. And I have had to use KY one time delivering a pup. I put i big bunch on my hands and went up in and rubbed it all around the sac to help it descend cause it was a big pup and the sac kept going back up in after the bitch would push but that was easy breezy compared to this time lol. A little KY and that puppy shot out on the next push lol.

Oh trust me mamabas when I reached up in there and felt one little foot my heart about exploded out of my chest. Panic was the first hing I felt and I was scared worse than I have been in a very long time. But it was just like at work (when I am on the emergency room floor or when I have to sub in the operating room as a scrub nurse) act fast and panic and cry after. I bet I cried for ten mins after that baby boy came out and finally gasped for air. But as far as getting some sleep, not for a while I'm afraid. My husband and I also own a sawmill and he wanted to come in today and saw to finish getting the load done so it can go out tomorrow and my secretary is off on Sundays so here I am at work. Need some tooth picks to hold my eyes open with lol. I am about tempted to go back here in the bedroom and pass out on one of the beds lol. My daughter already did this morning lol she is in there snoring away lol.
- By LucyDogs [gb] Date 23.09.18 16:17 UTC
Wow that's impressive, thank goodness you had the experience from other animals, it's not something I'd ever try lol!
- By Merlot [gb] Date 23.09.18 20:05 UTC
I did once have to get a pup out that was half way, just tail and legs and sack gone, I grabbed with a clean towel and used copious amounts of lubricant with  each contraction I put strong constant downward pressure and boy it was very stuck ! but he did come out and was alive and very very BIG. The bitch was screaming (before I got involved ) and not happy but there was no way that pup was coming out without help ! It was her first and last litter and she was struggling. She went on to have 4 more normal sized pups with ease. All survived and the BIG dog pup I pulled was fine and at 8 weeks no different in size to his siblings.
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 24.09.18 04:32 UTC
I figured when I went up to find the other leg and tail that my girl may try and bite me and I would have gladly let her. But she didn't. She just pushed real big everytime I pulled. I was so proud of her. When He finally came out she just flopped her head to the ground and looked up at me wagging her tail poor thing. My daughter was sitting there with her and I turned around to tend to him and I heard my girl grunt but didn't think nothing of it and all of a sudden my daughter started yelling BABY. That next little girl must have been right on top of his head lol. It is a scary thing to feel a dry stuck pup in a birth canal and I know exactly what you went through lol. This boy is very BIG also. She has never had one this big before. This is her last litter also. I have retired her and she will be getting spayed as soon as the babies are weaned. I am keeping the big boy cause I def think I earned him and he is now my little miracle.
- By onetwothreefour Date 24.09.18 08:05 UTC
Apparently the placental sites nearest the tail on the uterine horns get the best nutrition during pregnancy (have the best blood flow for the placentas), so frequently the pups there grow a bit bigger.  Which is why it's often one of the first two pups which are big.  And why sometimes towards the end, you can get the opposite - little ones which didn't implant in as good a location :)
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 24.09.18 09:39 UTC
Yeah my first ones out of each horn are always the biggest and last ones smaller. The runt out of this litter is so teeny tiny. Such a precious little baby thought. She is solid white except blue eyeliner.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 24.09.18 09:48 UTC
I suppose it's critical for the bitch to be having strong contractions still.   Sadly mine tended to go into secondary inertia (ouch mum - you put them there, now get them out) so more often than not, any amount of pulling out to the contractions, wasn't possible = C.Section!
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 24.09.18 13:43 UTC
I understand that. Without strong contractions you would probably do more harm than good. I would be a nervous wreck every time a litter was due if any of my girls was ever prone to that.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 24.09.18 15:47 UTC

> I would be a nervous wreck every time a litter was due if any of my girls was ever prone to that.


I guess I shouldn't have proceeded with my line :wink: but they had so many other plusses ..... my puppies were usually big, most weighing in at around 18 oz so it was 'ouch mum'.   In truth I was a nervous wreck and always alerted my vet when labour started.
- By StaffyMomma [us] Date 24.09.18 20:55 UTC
Well you seem to know what your doing so I think you made the right decision. My breed has large heads and can get really muscular and broad chested. I will not breed a female and male unless they are no more that a few inches in size difference. A lot of people do not understand the danger it can cause by breeding just whatever together to see what the pups with be like. Or having an intact female as an outside dog and letting every neighborhood dog have a turn and then not know what could have bred her and what kind of trouble she could be in when she whelps. Maybe if they took the time to read forums like this one and seen all the complications that can happen when breeding is done responsibly they would think twice about not spaying their girls.
- By Admin (Administrator) Date 25.09.18 10:02 UTC

>A lot of people do not understand the danger it can cause by breeding just whatever together to see what the pups with be like. Or having an intact female as an outside dog and letting every neighborhood dog have a turn and then not know what could have bred her and what kind of trouble she could be in when she whelps. Maybe if they took the time to read forums like this one and seen all the complications that can happen when breeding is done responsibly they would think twice about not spaying their girls


And on that excellent observation we will close this thread. Congratulations on your litter :grin:
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