Just seen advert

Frenchies ...........They are blue sable with tan points.
Only asking FROM £1500

I’ve seen same breed in lilac and tan platinum (whatever that means) for £9000!

I’ve seen same breed in lilac and tan platinum (whatever that means) for £9000!

Sounds similar to adds on a couple of free sites for Dobes......................ehh dear................
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Mmmm.  "Pink" dobes are the trend now, £3000 a pop at least. 

Someone posted on FB yesterday about a bulldog breeder they'd been chatting to, who was selling some pups of, ahem, "rare" colours for £14000!

Fools and their money...

> Fools and their money...

And then there's the people, in my main breed, advertising a litter for £1200., not KC Registered.   To say nothing of the mixes!

It's only a matter of time before we start seeing adds for 'Transparent' dogs.
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Wellll, I'm broke!  Just have to work out how the hell I can breed green with lilac spots and I'm made for life. 

How 'bout staking out breeding bitches  to bring in income

> Frenchies ...........They are blue sable with tan points.<br />Only asking FROM £1500

That's not a bad price for the breed, I often see normal colours being advertised in that breed for the same or more. I have noticed here if it's not merle the non standard frenchies and bulldogs don't seem to be selling as well as they were, quite a few going at the same price as a normal or being reduced multiple times to get rid of them.

I do think the KC registering these colours only encourages people to breed for them.

Think about it:  There are loads of people breeding crossbreeds to look like all kinds of things.  Being KC registered confers some 'status' on a dog in the eyes of most people, so to have a dog which is KC registered and YET also an unusual colour makes it more desirable. 

If it were not KC registered and just a weird colour, what would separate it out from a crossbreed??  We would really see demand for them diminishing (I think) if the KC stopped registering not-recognised colours...

Reading this thread should convince us all of the need for legislation and tight control of breeding practice. The KC have shown no commitment whatsoever in regulating this nonsense. For them it has all been about revenue from registrations. Nothing whatsoever to do with dog health and welfare.

I hope HMRC are aware of such prices being charged.

The KC have shown no commitment whatsoever

Yes they have in the form of making £££££££'s out of them in registrations etc or whatever........KC would register Werewolves if they thought they'd make money out of 'em, thats what KC is all about
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Re odd colours/registration.  Some years ago now, in my breed in which any recognised hound colour is acceptable, we started seeing Blenheim, Liver, Brindle etc being listed in the KCSB records.   I, and maybe others, took the KC to task over this, so this isn't happening any longer.   Surely the only acceptable colours, for registration, should be those listed on the relevant Breed Standard?   And yes, KC Regd. does carry weight with lots of people.

I'm glad I like black dogs, they often cost a lot less than the silly colours in most breeds.

Never seen that .which breeds ?

Surely though, there will come a point when you price yourself out of the market?

I've got nothing against non standard colours but I don't understand why colour is placed as upmost on the list of requirements. Recently a breeder had two non standard colour pups in my breed, listed at £3000 each! The breed average is between £850-£1200 and that is for standard coloured, fully health tested, registered lines.

Granted, these pups were from health tested, registered parents but they were still unsold at 14 weeks.

There are many breeders breeding these colours, health testing and selling within the the normal price range so why go to this particular breeder?  It doesn't end there, another breeder has listed non kc reg 'pedigree' pups at £1,200 and people are buying. This is not out of the norm. Obviously there is a demand.

Sadly, however, I think Frenchies and other bully breeds have or are close to reaching the same saturation point as Staffordshire bull terriers did a few years back.

Mine are "special colours" as particolour is not breed standard in the UK (it is in most other places) in my breed. I paid same price as my breeder charges for her solids and the parents were treated the same way, same health tests, training etc as the solids although not shown as not breed standard. But my elders has been shown and won at at little local county show dog classes. So some are not greed breeding "colours".

I met a white great dane a few months ago and the owner (seeing my "special" colour dogs) started telling me her big story about how lucky she was to get him and he was 3000 pounds! I thought white Danes had health problems, but is that boxers I'm thinking of?

I do have to wonder if the market for "rare" colours is due to KC only registering limited colours. I don't know anything about blue or pink or whatever, but if those colours were standard then maybe they wouldn't be
so "fashionable"?

I'll admit I don't quite get why liver/chocolate is allowed in some breeds but not others, for example. Some traits like double merle or all-white can obviously have related health problems, but many other forbidden colours just don't make sense. I can't see that there's any reason for a Frenchie not to be sky blue pink with yellow dots on other than the KC says it shouldn't be.

After all, it wasn't all that long ago that Labs could only be yellow or black - nowadays I see more chocolate Labs than any other colour!

After all, it wasn't all that long ago that Labs could only be yellow or black - nowadays I see more chocolate Labs than any other colour!

Really ??? Chocolate(or brown) has been an acceptable colour in Labrador Retrievers for a long time. They were around in the 1890s(yes eighteen nineties) over 120 years ago.

There's a big difference between dogs of an undesirable colour (which may become a standard colour in time e.g. white Mini Schnauzers) and merle appearing in breeds where it didn't previously exist therefore they are crossbreeds.

Weren’t poodles originally parti coloured?

Some of the non desirable colours in frenchies and pubs do carry health issues. ‘Blue’ staffies so popular a year or two ago have their own itchy skin syndrome now it seems.

Yes Jodi, apparently solid coloured poodles were very popular in the Royal Court when the UKKC breed standard was written for poodles and parti's were written out. Rather unfortunate. It's why parti's are still accepted in most other places. The "mismarks" continue despite generations of breeding for solids because they are part of the foundations of the breed.

Blue anything always makes me laugh after seeing an ad that said, "Very Rare BLUE French Bulldog puppies ready now" on a site that at that moment had about 70 blue litters listed and only 2 non-blue! Very rare indeed....

There was the rare lilac bulldog pup stolen some years ago now apparently price of sale was 10k. Now lilac is a pretty colour but in a bulldog and 10 k ???

I'm fairly sure that deafness can be an issue in both white Boxers and white Danes

Tatty that's what I thought. Also maybe blindness? But maybe there are different genes involved? The dog was only 8 months old and seemed normal enough although he didn't seem to like the sunlight much, but it was during the very hot time in June and the sun was very low and shining into our faces as we were walking in the evening out of the heat of the day. I didn't notice obvious deafness but it was on a lead and we only spoke for a few minutes. Imagine paying 3k and ending up with a deaf and partially sighted dog though!

http://www.gdca.org/health/deafness.html this link explains the genetic reasons for the deafness and eye problems.

The Vulcan Champagne Poodle kennels bred some particolours so they appeared in even the best lines until fairly recently.

I'm not a colour fanatic, and I'm a great believer that a good horse/dog is never a bad colour. In fact I used to own a piebald horse, which is a colour that never appealed but her personality and ability made me forget my prejudice

Same here malwhit. As a child I was lucky enough to ride (sadly not own) a little chestnut Welsh pony with 4 white legs, a wall eye and white face called "Toffee". He did "look mean" to be honest. And like so many welshies pulled the most hilarious faces too, a proper thelwell pony. And lots of the pony people would decline to have their kids on him citing his looks as a mark of character. Luckily my parents knew absolutely nothing about horses and I was thrilled to muck out/poo pick/sweep for 6 hours every weekend on the little stud where he lived (he was a rig and officially used to tease but actually only once or twice a year) in return for 30 or 40 minutes riding on a Sunday afternoon. He was a perfect gentleman and very patient.

> In fact I used to own a piebald horse,

Interestingly, I always felt that Piebald horses should be brown (as in a pie) and white but apparently it's the black and whites that are called that??  It's the Skewbalds that are brown.... lol

Easiest way to remember is Black & white = Magpie bird = Piebald horse

> Easiest way to remember is Black & white = Magpie bird = Piebald horse <

I do think we have to remember that some of the colours not allowed are for very good health reasons.somethimg many of those breeding nonstandard colours don't take into consideration therefore increasing the risk of suffering for the poor dogs

You try telling BYBs that they shouldn't be breeding for 'rare colours' and why not!  As long as there's a market for these dogs that don't conform to the Breed Standards, the supply will continue to be there.

And re chocolate Labs - for some reason they became popular to the point that way too many were being bred.   My nephew asked me whether he should go for a Lab or a Border Collie for his family, some years ago now.   I said I felt the Lab, from a reputable breeder, would be the better of the two and asked him to hold on while I sourced some names for him.  I did and phoned him back that same day - he was actually with a breeder who had, yes, a chocolate Lab litter and they'd bought one.   He wouldn't listen to me - quite why he'd involved me, I'm not sure.    And yes, before he was a year old (and in this I do blame the vets to some extent re his age) he'd had both hips and one elbow operated on.  So his two young kids had to go through all that - luckily his wife was a nurse so was able to help the dog to recovery, and he was insured.  But he was never really 'right' and didn't live to the age Labs should live to.

Some breeds of course are required to be only one colour and it is part of what makes them unique/a breed.  the great grey dog, or the Grahund (the Norwegian Elkhound (grey) would not be it's breed if it were Red etc. 

There have been Red Elkhounds (basically liver as the pigment is not black) in the USA.  they claim it came from the UK, but I se no mention in UK breed club records or the breeders I know who have been in the breed since early1950's coming across it in litters.