Just seen an ad on f/book. Someone ( with a 4yr old and a newborn) is advertising 16 Husky cross GSD puppies from 2 litters but all seem to be same age.
Best of luck trying to socialise that lot!
Am I being evil in half hoping they are still available when they are about 3 or 4 months old and totally trashing her place
............wonder if the tax man knows about them.........

Could not wish a better thing happening to the so called breeder I just worry about the puppet prospects

Am I being evil in half hoping they are still available when they are about 3 or 4 months old

I think so, you sound like one of those ancient ten commandment Bible thumpers.......''And the Sins of the Fathers shall be passed onto the children''

I hope these pups find appropriate loving homes & live a 'dog happy' life ASP.
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> Am I being evil in half hoping they are still available when they are about 3 or 4 months old and totally trashing her place

Not in my book!!  If the market wasn't there it could be hoped that these people messing around with established breeds, for money, would think again.   Especially if they had a significant number of puppy mouths to feed, and clean up after. 

I've just been scanning the situation on another well-known puppy sale website and see puppies of my main breed being for sale at upwards of 1K NOT KC REGISTERED.   Whether they get those prices, I don't know.   It's not that long ago since our last litter, sold at a time when the average going rate for the breed was £450.    I paid £800, back in 2009 for my main-breed puppy at 4 months and as a 'show prospect' which all too sadly, turned out not to be the case.   He was a gorgeous puppy, if BIG, at that age, from a long-established breeder who I'd known for years.

So another lot of unwanted dogs to hit the rescue kennels if they are lucky or to be thrown out on the street if not lucky, why oh why do people breed indiscriminately, poor pups

I do wonder if joe public does take any notice as to whether puppies are KC registered or not. It just seems to me if the puppy looks cute, who cares sort of attitude.
I've seen so many litters advertised as not being KC registered but deemed as 'healthy' because they are a cross mating between the neighbours dogs.
Also, what is with advertisers charging more for bitches and 'rare' colours?
I'm surprised these GSDxhuskys aren't being advertised as wolf types

I’ve been wondering about prices too, having done a fair bit of research and looked at a fair few ads recently. (Price isn’t something that makes any difference to me at all but I think it’s helpful to have a rough idea so I can budget accordingly.)

I would expect KC reg pups to be a bit more expensive than “my unregistered boy and girl are lovely and I though it would be fun to let them have a litter” pups. Not a huge difference, but enough that you’d notice - I mean apart from the stud fee, tests (or lack thereof) it’s going to cost a similar amount to bring up a reg litter and an unreg one of the same breed, right?

But realistically I’ve often found that unregistered pups can be MORE expensive, and that doesn’t make sense to me at all.

Breeders, how do you determine prices for pups? Does it change litter-to-litter, and if so, what kinds of things would affect the price? This Joe public person is curious! ;)

Prices - well it used to be that the price of a puppy would be roughly the same price as the stud fee.   Not so any more, from what I've seen on puppy sale websites.   I guess people fix the price depending on what is the 'going rate' at the time.   Was a time also, when bitches 'cost' more than dogs.  I don't think this often applies any more either.    The price would only change, litter to litter, if the interval between litters meant prices had gone up ....?

Stud fees in my breed are around £500 for a top quality, proven, qualified stud.  For an unproven stud without qualifications, probably about £300. 

Puppies, amazingly are now going for £900!  I've even seen some going for £1000 and £1200.  About 10 years ago, puppies of my breed were £500.  I know there's inflation, but that's ridiculous...

Saw another ad on Facebook today, 9 week old sprocker (mongrel) puppies, £ 500 each can only hope they have a good future ahead of them

Cocker springer cross (sprocker) is one that has been done for many decades particularly in working circles...so not one of the new designer crosses in my opinion

I know a few people round this region have working sprockers. The pups I saw the ad for were 600 + 650 for m + f, (comes to over 10K IF they all sold)

>Prices - well it used to be that the price of a puppy would be roughly the same price as the stud fee.

Ah, that makes sense. I guess that's why sometimes the stud owner would take the pick of the resulting litter instead of cash? Or was it the other way round, that people started paying fees instead of pups?

Had a quick look on pets4homes at papillon studs and pups just as an example.

5 studs advertised -
* £200 proven
* £150 proven but not KC reg
* £500
* £250
* £250

Lots of pups ranging from £350 to £975 with only one registered (£900). Pap cross pups £300, £400, £495, £750.

Thant's kind of a big difference in prices! I have to admit I was surprised that the crosses weren't more expensive, but then I guess paps aren't one of the trendy breeds to cross.

In my breed, I have come to the conclusion that most of the 'bigger breeders' do a take-back arrangement (not necessarily pick - unless it was pick male as I normally wanted bitches when we bred), rather than actually pay a stud fee.   And what's even more worrying is the fact that 'apparently' people may be asking these £1K and upward prices, again for my main breed, EXPECTING to be bartered down!! So whether they get what's apparently being asked or not, I don't know!   Personally if somebody used my studs, they paid for the service, at the time of the service unless by chance the dog was unproven - which wasn't the case with mine as I didn't allow them at public stud until I, or a close friend in the breed, used him first.

In my breed stud fees are the price of a puppy.  Puppies are £800 or a little more.

Few litters bred (around 7- 10 litters around 50 pups a year) so many dogs, even champions get few opportunities in their lifetime, no premium on stud fees.

We do expect all breeding stock to be hip scored, eye tested and DNA tested for prcd=PRA, Glaucoma, and Dwarfism, and those costs can come to over what a stud fee would be.

It can be difficult to find younger health tested males, as owners may be reluctant to test not knowing if they will ever get an enquiry to use their dog, and of course bitch owners won't enquire about a dog whose health status is unknown.. .

>Breeders, how do you determine prices for pups? Does it change litter-to-litter, and if so, what kinds of things would affect the price? This Joe public person is curious!

That's a question for a new thread rather than one for this one