Hi all,

I can't stand the stress of selling my pups as show potential so I'd love them to go as pets - theyre KC'd and I have an affix.  Is Champdogs more of a show dog selling place? will buyers expect to be buying a show dog? I like the idea that it has a waiting list - I don't want anyone to buy on impluse which is why I'm prepared to pay the £40 membership, but I don't want to give false hope.

Sorry if this is a dumbo question! I'm tying myself in knots at the thought of finding kind homes for them all! Does everyone find it so stressful?

Thanks in anticipation!

I think a lot of people use champdogs as finding reputable breeders, even for a pet home dog.
I would certainly use it to search for puppies from health tested parents and I don't plan to show.

For me, selling my precious babies was probably the worst part of doing a litter, which we only did for our next generation, so with an average litter of 8 puppies, keeping perhaps 2, that still meant finding decent lasting homes for the remainder extremely difficult.   I seemed to have more trouble finding that, back in the UK than in Canada.  For some reason.   Most of those who had our puppies, out there, became our friends - not all, but most.

People need to know that even if only a couple of the puppies in a litter (if lucky!) will become show dogs, the vast majority will just be pets but the pets will have benefitted from the time and effort good breeders put into the litters they do have.   Incidentally all our show hounds, were our PETS first!

All you can do is go with your gut feeling about people, how they come across when first enquiring, and how they inter-act with you and your puppies when they visit.  It usually worked with me, except for a few noteable exceptions, the worst involving 2 I sold to a fellow-breeder.  Bearing in mind puppy dealers know what breeders expect to see and hear - eg the story I wrote here about the breeder of my foundation bitch who had a FAMILY visit and as they were leaving, having gone to return something they'd left, saw her puppy being put in the boot of the car, with x-number of other puppies!   And never forget - so often the worst looking people often turn out to be the most perfect owners. 

Good luck!  Don't be in a hurry to sell unless you feel comfortable about the new home!

Thank you Mayvis, that does strengthen my resolve to use Champdogs. I'd like to think people coming to here have already done their homework on the breed.

I'm happy the litter won't be being ready until after the school holidays - I'd love them to have children to look after in their future lives, but didn't want them to be a 6wk novelty.  Blimey! you can tell I prefer dogs to humans!  I've got to stop being so pessimistic!

Thank you MamaBas,  that's a great reply! Just what I needed to hear - I don't feel quite so alone in my experience.  I suppose that mixing in the dog world, you collect the horror stories you hear along the way and expect the worst!  I hadn't read your terrible experience thread - probably best not to either.

Am I allowed to ask if you use Champdogs to sell your pups? Do you think my logic of paying to advertise will attract a more discerning buyer?

Thank you for your excellent advice - I'm sure I'll be back with more questions as I start the viewings.

I used CDs to advertise our last litter - and since we have working strain dogs (that can't be shown!) I can guarantee it's not only about selling show prospect puppies!

I received a lot of enquiries from the CDs ad and - whilst most were not appropriate (as always!) the volume meant that you did get through some good homes....

I am not a breeder neither do I show, but my first point of contact when looking for a puppy would be champdogs, as I would hope the people on here would do all the necessary health tests and be ethical breeders if that helps at all, and I always point people looking for a breeder or a pup to this site.

If it's of any help I have seen people recommend champdogs on other sites. These are not show people but want healthy pedigree dogs as pets and not necessarily to show as well   .

I always recommend Champdogs. I am a bit disappointed that there are not more litters on here.
Probably best also to notify your breed club sec about the litter. That is how I  got mine both pets

I’m a pet Home puppy buyer as opposed to a breeder selling puppies

I absolutely scoured Champdogs when looking for my latest dog. Because I know the breed fairly well, I was inspecting health test results and checking pedigrees etc which is all available and easy to see on Champdogs which I really appreciated. There’s even links to some breeders websites for further perusal and it’s quick and easy to contact the breeder.

I belong to another forum and when people come onto there looking for such and such breed and wondering where to look for breeders who are not bybs and puppy farmers, I point them in the direction of the breed club and Champdogs.

> ........ if you use Champdogs to sell your pups?

No.   At the time we were still breeding, I wasn't involved in this place.   And in truth, only once did I have to advertise our puppies when back in the UK and because I didn't have enquiries at that time, I listed on the KC website.   Never again - I found I was listed with KNOWN Puppy Farmers.    Of course things may have changed now but at the time, it appeared that all anybody had to do to go on their List was to register the litter (well it's a start!) and pay the fee.   I tended to have regular enquiries when I was active in the show world,  so even when we did have a litter on the ground, many had gone elsewhere and not waited  which quite honestly, was no loss to me - they obviously didn't want mine specifically!  I had others who did.

Many Breed Clubs have somebody who keeps lists of people within the breed,  with puppies available - have you thought of that?

I have to say the use of CD for selling puppies of my breed seems to have dropped off a lot - there's only one litter advertised in my breed on here at the moment although of late, those (in the show world especially) producing puppies of my main breed, don't seem to be doing so nearly as much as in the past. 

ps   If you used an outside stud dog, I'd like to hope that owner would be able to be involved in finding good homes too - refer people to you?

I have always sold my puppies as Pets/Companions, regardless if they have show potential or go on to be shown.

After all the most I can really guarantee is that I have reared them well, their parents have had the appropriate health testing and they are typical of the breed.

I'd say this site is for breeders who consider themselves custodians of their breed and aim to be breeding to the breed standard of their breed with the appropriate parental health testing to produce breed typical puppies.

I am asking myself the same question about finding good homes. Normally I don't advertise but I had a large litter once before and because good homes took longer to find, the puppies did not all go at the optimum time.

I found the problem with the KC puppy registr was that it all happened too late and weeks after the puppies had gone, the phone calls starts coming in which was very frustrating.

> found the problem with the KC puppy registr was that it all happened too late and weeks after the puppies had gone, the phone calls starts coming in which was very frustrating.

I have found if your going to use the KC list you need to register your litter within days of birth.

I don't know if it's of interest but I saw a company at Pup Aid at the weekend called Tailwise who were saying they could match reputable dog breeders to responsible dog owners. They said that there's no fee for listing your puppies with them- might be worth looking at if you're looking for a Chamdogs alternative?

These people https://bdaily.co.uk/articles/2018/05/20/200k-funding-for-london-pet-tech-startup-tailwise  company was previously pet engine

Yeah that's the one.
Found their website https://www.tailwise.com/

Yes I played around with it.  Will be interesting to see what others think.  .

I had a look but once they pair up does that mean a sale has to take place? Can't see any real info other than they do research to find suitable breed/s and then find a breeder. What if said breeder isnt happy with owner?
Not sure i like that and what if the researchers give a totally wrong breed as suitable?
If i go onto the kc find a puppy quiz it gives me all sorts of breeds and none which ive owned or own and the options it gives are so not for me either. If i went with what the kc suggest i would have breeds i dont like nor could i live with

I wasn't sure either . It won't give any info unless u submit woth all your details and won't if u are considering a pup more than 6 months ahead. I couldn't work out if they paired u up or gave a list of people u could contact. As for which breeds I wanted to know what they though would be suitable but again unless u give all your info including do contact details that can't be accessed . Not enough Info on what they are offering imo

Like sue the kc and I think purina do a breed quiz they gave me ones that I wouldnt want either

> what the kc suggest i would have breeds i dont like nor could i live with

No matter how I try I can never get my own breed to come up on these engines, but loads I could not live with.

Am I right in thinking that litters can only be advertised on Champdogs only if the parents have been health tested?

Just idly looking through the golden retriever puppy listings and came across a litter where the owner quite clearly says in the write up that both parents of the puppies have NOT been health tested. Tbh it reads rather like a byb breeder

I don't think health tested is a requirement but happy to be corrected

On the rare occasions I see puppies advertised from my breed, the parents say 'health tested' and when you look they're only partially tested and nowhere near even the minimum recommended by either the breed club or ABS.