I am wanting some advise I sold a male puppy to a breeder this year she did advise me that she wanted him for a stud dog I did say I would lift the endorsements once the puppy had relevant health tests @ 12months. she  now is demanding I lift the endorsements now as I said I have gone back on a 'business deal' she now threating to bring the puppy back and wants a full refund plus expenses!!

I do not want to  lift the endorsements until health checks been done, when I said he is too young at 7.5 months she is now threatning if I don't do it she will rehome him!!! He is a CKCS so min needs heart, eye and DNA ests (although both parents are clear) I am a professional hobby breeder who is heart broken I have since found out she has three girls due to come in season in the next month and has advised this potential puppy buyer she has a ruby stud(Which is the puppy I bred) I can believe this is so unethical and the puppies health and wellbeing is paramount to me! I have spoken to KC and they will not commit and sit on the fence saying no min age for a stud dog!!! Any advise would be appreciated thank you

Stand your ground. Did you get a contract signed re endorsements ? Also aren't the guidelines not to breed until dog/bitch is 2 1/2 years old ? Needs to be MRI scanned for SM etc  & I understand dog has to be at least 1 year old for this. So why is she going against KC/BVA/CKCS breed clubs schemes

If you placed endorsements correctly and had her sign as to her knowledge of then the she has not a leg to stand on.

No-one can guaranteee a pup will make a suitable stud dog until it matures.

> I have spoken to KC and they will not commit and sit on the fence saying no min age for a stud dog!!!

That is technically correct, but of course they won't remove correctly placed endorsements so won't register any pups from an endorsed dog.

Apart from anything else for this breed he should be over 2 1/2 before being used with having a clear heart certificate and also his parents having clear hearst at five+.  so your input re getting his Dam, and his sires owner also getting their dog heart tested, before she shousl think of using him, after doing the health testing on him also.

1.   Of course the KC is sitting on the fence.  No surprise there.
2.   What you do would depend on how much you feel you need to get the puppy out of there.
3.   If he has endorsements, and the buyer knew about this (in writing and including no lifting until 12 months and tested) then even if he is allowed to be used at stud sooner rather than later, any puppies he sires cannot be registered with the KC in any case.   I'd suggest that would make him less than attractive to any other breeder, at stud.
4.   Stick to your guns re lifting the endorsement.  DO NOT!!
5.   Again if it is important to you that you get this puppy back, asap, then you may have to pay her to get her off your back and the puppy back safely.   For the original price of the puppy ONLY.   Expenses??   So let her sue you for that.   I doubt she'd win.

After a very sad, heartbreaking, experience I had with a fellow-breeder, and I was stupid in letting 2 of the 4 survivors in that litter, go to her with no endorsements because I trusted her, I'd NEVER sell to another breeder, ever.   What happened to those two was they both went out of the country to yet another breeder - no non breeding or not for export endorsements so I have to swallow what happened.   Lesson learnt, the hard way.

"... but of course they won't remove correctly placed endorsements so won't register any pups from an endorsed dog."

Boy I so hope this doesn't happen but I've known of occasions where they will remove endorsements - one presumes because the endorsements weren't correctly placed!

I do everything and more by the book KC assured me today they wouldn't lift them, the ironic thing is that the dog is registered still in my name

exactly my thoughts thanks

she says she didn't read the paperwork until she got home....ive found out she does it for her litters and on most occasions refuses to lift endorsements on her puppies whatever the circumstances good for the goose but not the gander

I know thanks

As others have said, don't lift the restrictions until you are satisfied with his health test results.

As to wanting a full refund - ridiculous, you can always ask for him back and offer to find a new home for him.

Good luck

> she says she didn't read the paperwork until she got home...

but if she signed the part about endorsements, she should read what she signs LOL

One also has to remember that I suspect you want to keep in touch with your puppy throughout the rest of its life so whilst I agree you need to stand your ground..you need to be careful.
I would say you are very happy to have the puppy back...I don't see what expenses she thinks she can claim though...you have to make the decision on whether you give her a full refund.

> the ironic thing is that the dog is registered still in my name

Then there's no way any progeny from this dog CAN be registered with the KC without YOUR signature on the paperwork.

With respect, this sounds a very odd situation - this 'breeder' doesn't have a leg to stand on if no transfer into her name was done?   Or have I missed something here?   Go get the puppy and let her sue you for whatever she wants, financially.   Although for the sake of your reputation within your breed, I think you may have to make her a full refund but only for the cost of the puppy.

Even 12 months is far too young for the health tests in our breed, stick to your guns - better he gets rehomed than used at stud on 3 different bitches at 7 months old!

I would point out she signed a contract that stated the endorsements would only be lifted once he was over 12 months and had those health tests. Then tell her if she no longer wants the boy you will take him back if she wishes to return him (her expenses she can stick somewhere). Does your contract cover the return of pups/dogs? If so remind her of that part of the contract too.

She shouldn't sign a contract she hasn't read or agree with, providing you stick to it your breaking nothing. They probably thought that if they agreed to it all to get the pup then later threaten to rehome it  and make a fuss that you would just lift it for them.

I am wanting some advise

So, back to the original post, you have 2 choices, either you take out a civil action in the county court or meander around the net and nothing else in the hope that latter makes you feel better, you have a decision to make!
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