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As a lifelong owner and lover of Golden Retriever dogs, I am appealing for any Golden Retriever breeders to help to identify, or help with any information.
A female Golden Retriever puppy was abandoned on Wednesday 23rd May 2018 in Tutshill, Gloucestershire, she was found with numerous 'unexplained' injuries, she has been rescued and is now safe, she needs ongoing veterinary treatment. The Forest of Dean street warden and Police are trying to find out how she came to be injured, the owner is not known, nor is her history. She has been named Hope. Please visit the Forest of Dean Facebook page to see her picture and their appeal.
Do any of you recognize this puppy as one of yours from one of your litters, she is thought to be about 7 months old ???
I am just placing this plea for help but if anyone has any information or history please email street.wardens@fdean.gov.uk or call 01594 810000. Thank you.
By Tommee
Date 26.05.18 23:16 UTC
Upvotes 2

Surely the breeder can be traced via the mandatory microchip ?
By Brainless
Date 27.05.18 06:37 UTC
Upvotes 3
> Surely the breeder can be traced via the mandatory microchip ?
All dogs are required by law to be chipped in UK since April 2016, with the breeder as first recorded keeper.
That was my thought.
If she hasn't been chipped then
she won't have come from a reputable breeder, and is likely to be illegally imported (smuggled), or only chipped after purchase, which is against the law, but still seems to be happening when the breeder is avoiding being registered as the breeder, or a Pet litter with breeder not knowing the law.
By Euro
Date 27.05.18 11:01 UTC
is likely to be illegally imported (smuggled)
Really Barbara, why on earth would anyone spend time making arrangements with someone in europe, spend the money on traveling to europe, buying the dog there, risk smuggling it in & then do whatever someone/something did to it & then, after all that, presumably dump it, serious question barbara, why?!
By Garbo
Date 27.05.18 12:52 UTC
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I believe that puppies are smuggled in enmasse and then passed off as being legitimately bred here. I don’t think Barbara means that one individual person has made bonafide arrangement with a reputable breeder abroad and then decided to smuggle one puppy back rather than get a passport etc.
By Tommee
Date 27.05.18 12:57 UTC
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Illegally imported dogs from the continent tend to have false documents rather than being smuggled in en masse without any documentation which is the case from Northern Iteland puppy farmers

Whole litter smuggling of underage pups, from N. Ireland or Eire via that route.
Pups at legal age unless toy breeds are well past the cute stage, not to mention keeping pups to 4 months and the legal importation route would wipe out the profits.

Your right Via Northern Ireland, even if from Eire, as other routes pups need to be 4 months, but still seem to come in on forged papers, bu8t as you say would have chips, but of course chips often not checked (scanner given to imported to scan) so some may still be continental..
By Noora
Date 27.05.18 20:13 UTC

Easy enough to remove a chip if this puppy was stolen. Chups also fail...
By Tommee
Date 27.05.18 21:52 UTC

If the puppy was stolen& dumped why would the thief remove the chip ???
By Euro
Date 28.05.18 06:45 UTC
Edited 28.05.18 06:48 UTC
Your right Via Northern Ireland, even if from Eire, as other routes pups need to be 4 months,
The pup was found in forest of Dean Glos, why on earth or what on earth do you waffle on about ''smuggling routes'', Eire NI etc, there is not the slightest, remotest, indication, suspicion that this pup has any connection whatsoever than someone in england, this is a british isles forum about dogs, not a secret service forum about smuggling.
So, again I ask, what reason are you waffling on about something that sounds more like something from an international espionage story than a >common breed< of dog, which was found in Gloucestershire, England in a poor state of health?!..............out of politeness I must ask, are well?
By Brainless
Date 28.05.18 06:50 UTC
Edited 28.05.18 06:55 UTC
Upvotes 8

The fact that
a Puppy legally bred and sold in the UK would be microchipped and it's breeder and/or owner traceable.
So the alternative is that it was not legally bred, and could well be part of the very lucrative illegal importation and sale of commercially produced pups.
Quote from original post: "Do any of you recognize this puppy as one of yours from one of your litters, she is thought to be about 7 months old ???
I am just placing this plea for help but if anyone has any information or history please email street.wardens@fdean.gov.uk or call 01594 810000. Thank you"
So there is no way this pup would turn up at this age without a chip if it were bred by any decent law abiding breeder likely to be be traceable here.
By Euro
Date 28.05.18 07:43 UTC
Edited 28.05.18 07:51 UTC
So there is no way this pup would turn up at this age without a chip if it were bred by any decent law abiding breeder likely to be be traceable here
OK, and you conclude from that what?......let me guess, it was not bred by a decent breeder in your opinion, correct?
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By Jodi
Date 28.05.18 07:59 UTC

Did anyone go and look at the puppy? Poor little thing looks awful and so sad.

Yes I have I just hope if the rightful and caring owner cant be found as. I assuming the person who did this was not her owner then she recovers well and finds a loving home. Chips do fail and migrate but regardless she is in caring hands now and hopefully will make a full recovery
By Euro
Date 28.05.18 08:14 UTC
Edited 28.05.18 08:17 UTC
Yes I looked at it, it looked in a very sorry state although to me it did not look like a 7 months old, it looked younger than that, I also have thoughts that wild boar are in that area & this time of year some will have piglets, a lost dog would be very vulnerable to them.
Personally I would not take an adult or puppy of my own into any areas which have wild boar as pert of it's normal population.
http://www.wyedeantourism.co.uk/boar.
Decent: "Conforming with generally accepted standards of respectable or moral behaviour"
I think it is fair to assume the pup has not been bred by a "decent" breeder within the UK if there is no microchip available, and as puppy smuggling into the UK hit a record high in the run-up to Christmas 2017 (when this pup would have been approx. 2 months old) it is also a reasonable argument that this puppy could be one of thousands smuggled into the UK to feed the Christmas market.
I believe that one of this forums greatest strengths is the often highly debated, varied responses and opinions shared by people within it. However, disagreement should never be mistaken for disrespect. Just because we do not always see eye-to-eye on a topic, it does not give us the right to belittle, shame or disrespect. You may wish to consider this before you add any further posts and further insult.
The Ignore button is a powerful thing...
By satincollie (Moderator)
Date 28.05.18 10:08 UTC
Upvotes 5

Very interesting you now add your own thoughts that may explain an injured puppy ( dangers in the wilds of Glos )when taking to task someone elses thoughts on the matter surely both have a valid place in this discussion do they not ? Puppies are smuggled into the country and end up far away from their source and yes there are wildlife that could explain a lost puppies injuries not just wild boar but badger etc
Hopefully the poor pup recovers well and either the owners are found or the puppy finds a loving new home.
By Lynneb
Date 31.05.18 17:32 UTC
Upvotes 1
There are many, too many, disreputable breeders who will sell puppies to all and sundry. Obviously a puppy farmer or BYB with no regard for the law as no microchip is evident. This poor baby could have been sold to someone who abused her or sold for bait for fighting dogs. No this is not a dramatic interpretation, as an anti puppy farm campaigner, I know this happens daily. The sooner "Lucy's Law" goes through, the better it will be for our dogs.
By Euro
Date 01.06.18 16:13 UTC
Edited 01.06.18 16:15 UTC
or sold for bait for fighting dogs.
Same thought crossed mind when i saw it, training very young, puppy'ish fighting dogs to get their fighting genes triggered early on.
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