If you are a kennel name holder, is it possible to register a litter of puppies without adding the kennel name to it, AND couple of months later to add the kennel name but not in front of the puppy's name as per rules ("KennelName PuppyName") but in the end such as "PuppyName at/with/for/etc KennelName" 

Something I spied one of the breeders did recently, and I'm wondering how it could be possible.

You probably can, but why would you unless the litter was something you were not proud of?

It is possible but are you sure the breeder is the exact one who holds the Kennel Name that has had the litter? For instance if the kennel name is held in mr joe bloggs but the owners of the dam is mr & mrs joe bloggs then the litter cant be registered under mr joe bloggs kennel name.

As you would still be the breeder, when you did do the change of name, (ie. added your affix), the KC would still place it in the prefix position, so there would be no advantage to doing this - just an extra cost.
I remember that there was a great deal of discontent when the KC decided to standardise the placing of affixes, as many kennels had been using them as suffixes for years, (ie. *** of Ware ), and some affixes just didn't sound right when they were placed at the beginning of a registered name. In the end, the KC insisted, and everybody had to comply with the rule.

I'd concur re 'extra cost'.   And for me, I was only too happy (proud!) to have my affix at the front of the individual registration name.

> I remember that there was a great deal of discontent when the KC decided to standardise the placing of affixes, as many kennels had been using them as suffixes for years, (ie. *** of Ware ),

We had that with the most famous Kennel in our breed which had always been Of the Holm, and it just did not look right in front as just Holm.

Interestingly many European countries still put the Kennel name after the name.

Makes it much easier searching a litter say with having the common denominator at the front, as our KC now has it.

Yes, you can definitely register a pup from a litter with or without your/breeder’s kennel name.  A friend of mine has just done this.  One of the litter was not given the breeder’s affix/prefix (due to a contract in place that stipulated this).  This puppy could then have a suffix added by its new owner, but I don’t think a breeder could add their affix (as a suffix). It has to go at the beginning in my understanding?

Apart from the complication already mentioned by Lexy, (that the affix was not jointly held by all the members of a breeding partnership), the only other exception I can think of would be if the bitch was the subject of a KC loan agreement.

If a loan of bitch agreement exists then the affix used would be that of the lender as for the purposes of the litter the bitch is in the breeders ownership.

I had a litter in this way, with my affix, as the owners wanted a litter but were not in a position to breed themselves due to ill health.

Such an agreement saves transferring the ownership of a bitch back and forth.

I registered the pups and they were going to have a puppy from it.

> It is possible but are you sure the breeder is the exact one who holds the Kennel Name that has had the litter? For instance if the kennel name is held in mr joe bloggs but the owners of the dam is mr & mrs joe bloggs then the litter cant be registered under mr joe bloggs kennel name.

I’ve thought of this possibility, in the case of the breeder I mentioned there is indeed mr and mrs, so it is very likely they went around the affix rule in this way.

But I was also thinking could there be another possibility: if you are a breeder, you can change the name of your puppies within three months of the puppies registration iirc. What happens after the three months though, if you apply to add a kennel name to the puppy name? According to KC rule you are no longer entitled to change the name of the puppy. But according to another KC rule, you are entitled to add your kennel name to the dog you own. Could it be that in these circumstances it would be added as a suffix?

Changing the name means from what it was originally registered as, to a totally different name...adding the kennel name is not changing the name. this can be done at any age as long as the dog doesn't have a stud book number as you cant add an affix once it has.

In other words you think the KC would see that it is the breeder of the dog who is applying to add the kennel name, and would add it as affix (and not as suffix) no matter how much time has passed since the registration...  you’re probably right, it would make sense, if they do check...

> this can be done at any age

You can't, for the record, alter the registered name of an import.

> You can't, for the record, alter the registered name of an import.

You can however, add a kennel name.

> You can however, add a kennel name.

When we imported our seven hounds from Canada (one was a re-import being originally imported to us in Canada from the UK) we were not allowed to alter their registered names at all, even to add our UK affix which differed from the one we had in Canada as it had already been granted to another breeder in another breed, here in the UK.   But that was some years ago now, and things may have been changed in that regard.

> When we imported our seven hounds from Canada (one was a re-import being originally imported to us in Canada from the UK) we were not allowed to alter their registered names at all, even to add our UK affix which differed from the one we had in Canada as it had already been granted to another breeder in another breed, here in the UK.   But that was some years ago now, and things may have been changed in that regard.

It certainly is allowed & has been for quite  a while

> It certainly is allowed & has been for quite  a while

   Well I've just checked my main breed, Crufts results.  There have been a lot of imports recently in the breed, and yes, the suffix of the new owner has been added.   We obviously came back to the UK too soon because not only were we NOT allowed to add our UK granted kennel name to our imports, but from a research point of view, not having our UK kennel name on those with our Canadian kennel name we brought back, won't necessarily be associated with us!