Hi....does anyone know much about this written contract that the new owner of a dog signs saying they will not breed the dog....also about endorsement?Has it been in the rules of the kennel club longer then 10 years years or as it changed?.....kennel club wants to lift an endorsement of some semen we have because we don’t have a written contract from 11 years back.......so very complicated and the kennel club are not bothered....

Ok, to give an acurate anwpswer to your question, we are going to need quite alot more information.

Did the semen belong to a dog you owned?
Did you buy the dog as a puppy from his breeder?
Was the dog rehomed to you from a previous owner?
Did you sign a document at the time of sale accepting that you had been informed about the endorsement and that you understood what it meant?
Are you in touch with the breeder of the endorsed dog?
Have you asked them to lift the endorsement?
Have you been in touch with the Kennel Club asking for the endorsement to be lifted?

This information will help us to answer your question fully.

Dawn-R

All I've got to add is that I know for definite that endorsements were in use in 2000, so at least 18 years.

My 2nd Shepherd born on 14 Oct 1997 was endorsed.

I seem to remember that my 3rd golden born in 1996 was endorsed, but I don't think I have the paperwork though

When you sell a dog to someone you have to make them aware that they can’t breed the dog so they have to sign a piece of paper........even though you have endorsement on all your dogs.                                                                       * kennel club wants this piece of paper from 11 years back*.                                                                              *is this something that kennel club has always done or is this a new rule ?                                                               *also we are talking about a dead dog and the owners are wanting to use the semen which we have had and payed for in storage for the last 5 years with the consent of the owners*.                                                                          *kennel club are saying because we never made the endorsement clear that they are lifting it and they can use this semen.....35 years if breading some of the top mastiffs in the world and kennel club are going to ruin it.                  *the sad thing in all this is we have just lost my mother in law who was the president of the old English mastiffs club and the top breeder and now my husband has took her dogs on ....so not only dealing with the loss of his mother we are now dealt by with this.....I always do thought kennel club had the best interest for the breeders and dogs but not in this case.

Is that his a dog you bought?

Endorsements have been around a long time, there used to be two extra ones, not eligible for exhibition and name unchangeable (could not add your kennel name etc).

I have endorsed every puppy I have bred since my first litter in 1995.

My own Contract says: "You will see on your ‘KENNEL CLUB’ REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE that there are two ENDORSEMENTS on the forms.  These are to safeguard the welfare of the puppy and the breed."

I then go on to say under what circumstances I would lift them.

I have always kept a signed copy of the contract for every puppy, so yes still have the ones from 1995.

We have the certificate witch says there is an endorsement on the dog

Who owns the dog and where is the breeder? What are the breeders view on lifting the endoresements.

I'm a little confused as to who bred the dog and who owns the dog. The owner has stored semen and now wants to use said semen? Endoresements are on this dogs pedigree but who doesn't want this lifted and who does?

Your posts aren't making clear the simple points. Also was there a contract stating in what situation the endoresements would be lifted. If it just says that the dog is endorsed and nothing else as to what need to be done if anything for it to be lifted then the kc are likely to just lift them.
Why doesn't the breeder want to lift thwm?

Sorry ...I will try to explain......My mother in law was the breeder who passed away last summer.............now my husband has took over the breeding and now the owner of the dogs........                                                                  so the semen was took from a dog before it passed away 5 years back                                                                        My mother in law sold this dog And the owners of the dog agreed with my mother in law been to be able to use the semen in the future.                                                         The owner of the dog was there when the semen was took.    My mother in law has payed for the storage for the last 5 years.                                                                               When my mother in law passed away the owner of the dog went and moved the semen to a different vets.                   Our arguments is that yes it belongs to there died dog but on the contract is my mother in law signature.                   So about my mother in law .....she had endorsement on all her dogs as only her breed her dogs and no one else...so this semen belongs to her breed of dogs.                           The owners of the died dog wants to use this semen and got in touch with kennel club and said they was not aware of the endorsement and they never signed anything to say they could not breed the dog......

I would have thought that as your mother in law signed a contract saying the semen could be used by them at a later date and that the semen was taken after they became the dog's registered owners, the semen belongs to them.
As all your mother in laws dogs were endorsed and she has now died, I presume this stored semen is now your only way of breeding from her endorsed dogs?

I'm just wondering if this semen could be said to be part of your late mother in law's estate. Is your husband the executor of his mother's will? Perhaps this could be a legal matter. Have you had any legal advice?

there was no will as it was a sudden death......but the estate is now my husband.....yes we have had a bit of legal advice....no one seems interested........

My mother in law signed a contract with the vets where it was stored and she has payed for the storage for the last five years......as with the owner of the dog(which is dead)they never signed anything saying they could use it at a later date........                                                              my mother in law froze semen of really good dogs ......

Are you in a position to use any of it, perhaps you can carry on with her affix? It seems such a shame to let her lines die out.

How come the vet has allowed the semen to be moved on? Is it a repro vet that you can deal with?

We not letting the line die out we just want anyone else to use it.....this has been the rules for 35 years.....we still have a bitch we can use.x

Well good luck with it. I love Mastiffs and as a vulnerable native breed it would be a real shame to lose such a prestigious line. All the best to you xx

So you are trying to prevent the owners of the dead dog from using the semen?

Your mother never kept a signed copy of a contract telling them of the endorsement.

Kennel club rules are that there must be a signed statement about the endorsements signed by buyer from the seller that placed them (your Mother In Law), if such statement cannot be produced by you, then yes the kennel club will lift the endorsements.

You need to check in the dog records for this statement, if she didn't do one then she did not endorse the dog properly.

https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/media/8269/endorsements.pdf
"Problems can arise when the new owner makes a request to the person(s) who placed the endorsement for this to be done, only to be told that they have no intention of doing so. This is an area where disputes can arise particularly with purchasers claiming they were not aware that the newly purchased dog would be subject to certain restrictions.

The parties concerned are expected to try and resolve the matter amicably between themselves. However, if an agreement regarding the removal cannot be reached, the Kennel Club is often asked to intervene in what can sometimes be a very difficult situation, especially when there are conflicting views on whether the breeder advised the purchaser of an endorsement at the time of sale.

The Kennel Club cannot comment upon the contents of a private contract especially relating to whether any terms described therein have been met or not, but can only look at whether the endorsement has been placed in accordance with our Rules and Regulations.

In order to comply with the Kennel Club rules on placing endorsements, the KC requires that the dog be in the physical possession of the endorser and that they obtain a written agreement, ideally in the form of a private contract, signed by the new owner to acknowledge that they have been informed that an endorsement has been placed. If endorsements are being used, it is helpful to both parties if the contract mentions why these have been placed and under what conditions they would be removed (if at all). This contract must be signed and dated by the purchaser showing that they have been informed of the endorsement prior to or at the date of sale. Even if the breeder chooses not to draw up a full contract, there must still be a document stating which endorsements have been placed, signed by the purchaser

If the new owner believes that the endorsement(s) has not been placed in accordance with our rules and regulations, and they are unable to reach an agreement regarding the removal with the person who placed them, the owner of the dog can apply in writing to the Kennel Club to request the removal of the endorsement."