Just having a head shaking rant.

Just seen an advert for new breed of puppy called 'Daisy puppy'

Mix of Maltese, Toy Poodle and Shitzu..called a very rare breed and cost £1650. Comes with papers and will not have any eye conditions as the eyes of the puppies are in a different position to the Shitzu which will prevent this.

Grrr..now banging head on desk

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Sounds like a law suit waiting to happen!

Anyone foolish enough to be taken in and buy one probably wouldn't have the sense to bring a law suit.

I later realised that she has two separate litters of these rare breeds. Must be selling like hot cakes. There again, a fool and his money is soon parted.

Just having a head shaking rant.
Just seen an advert for new breed of puppy called 'Daisy puppy'
Mix of Maltese, Toy Poodle and Shitzu..called a very rare breed and cost £1650

Numerous similar adds are spilling daily all over the the UK free adds sites on a daily basis, just a matter of time till some enterprising entrepreneur starts up a 'New Age' pedigree dog registration site & printing different breed name pedigrees on a daily, individual basis, all perfectly legal.......

There is none so blind as those that WILL not see.

The genie is out of the bottle, those of us "in the know" are beating our heads against the wall. We have been trying to educate the puppy buying public for years and years and it just isn't working. Joe Public isn't an idiot, he's just terminally naive, he thinks he's done his research therefor feels perfectly justified in making his own choice. He doesn't realise that he's only listened to the information he wants to hear. There is no cure. We will go on into the future picking up the pieces because there is no end to puppies being produced for financial gain alone.

I wish it wasn't so but it isn't going to change.

Dawn-R

I wish it wasn't so but it isn't going to change

Wait till after the winter Olympics & we start getting the 'Trump_Jong-Un_Nuc' hound variations around..........'Jong-Poos' for sale

I am just wondering how much of this situation  is due to Jemima Harrison and the  Pedigree Dogs Exposed programme and surrounding furore etc.
I wonder if she accepts any responsibility for the massive increase in so called "designer" dogs?
I am certain that the number of puppy farmers and backyard breeders increased exponetially after her hysterical onslaught against "Pedigree Dog Breeders".
I think that the she and her ilk have ultimately done a massive disservice to the well being of dogs in general. Over the years since then breeders of cross breeds have been able to justify what they are doing by using her distorted view of pedigree dogs in general thereby giving them the tools to misinform and manipulate a gullible public.

I am just wondering how much of this situation  is due to Jemima Harrison and the  Pedigree Dogs Exposed programme and surrounding furore etc.
I wonder if she accepts any responsibility for the massive increase in so called "designer" dogs

Jemima Harrison simply documented what she found with UK KC registered dogs, nothing more, nothing less, for those who never saw the TV documentary here it is at link below:

UK specific,,,,, 'Pedigree Dogs Exposed' in full,

https://vimeo.com/17558275
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I feel she highlighted a market that has been exploited by unscrupulous people.

Ms Puddleduck has admitted to "omitting"some facts like the epileptic Boxer & Cavalier with Syringomyelia were not directly from KC registered dogs in fact were many generations away from KC reg dogs & the Cavalier was not related in any close way to the Champion dog who had asymptomatic Syringomyelia.

She actively promotes crossbreed her reasoning based on "hybrid"vigour as being more healthy than pure bred dogs, back up by statistics from Insurance companies, however the stats when questioned are themselves misleading as the percentage of insured pedigree dogs far outweighs the percentage of mongrels & designer dogs.

Some breeds lack"vigour" & fertility because of inbreeding, but this cannot be corrected simply by mating to a different breed.

For example Standard Poodles & Labrador Retrievers both have a fairly high incidence of hip & elbow dyplasia & epilepsy so crossing these two breeds does not diminish the risk & also PRA occurs in both breeds. There are also other genetic conditions that occur in one of the breeds which means subsequent generations may have added genetic conditions in their genome that "suddenly"appear apparently from nowhere !! This is happening now in the lines of this"designer"breed

This is happening now in the lines of this"designer"breed

Yes, from what I've picked up by casual readings PRA has been passed to the 'poo' type dogs involved with crossing Poodles (cavapoos cockerpoos & whatever other etc's there are or will be).

The trend does seem to have increased in reasont years, weather PDE had an effect or not who can say. I think it did have some effect at increasing poor breeding as after I started seeing ads of 'not kc reg there for healthy' on litters from untested patients, even saw an ad with the breeder listing a long list of health tests they don't do as they breed pets not show dogs. Sadly the message most got from the program was that kc show breeders were bad and breeding unhealthy dogs. By being so biased against kc and shows it did nothing to educate the public on what good breeders were doing and how to find them. So the money breeders jumped on the not kc reg or crosses band wagon as the public didn't think those dogs needed health testing only pedigree show dogs.

The general public think by crossing breeds it magically give them better genes. They don't seem able to grasp simple genetics that if both breeds in the mix have the same issue the cross is just as likley to get it, if the breeds don't have the same recessive issue then yes first generation crosses will be safe from that issue but if it's a second generation or bred back to the breed with the issue they are again just as likley to get.
At least some of the more responsible breeders of crosses have started health testing, even the cockerpoo club has made it mandatory to test due to the rise in health problems in the mix. But sadly these breeders as the tiniest minority of the crossbreed world.

> Jemima Harrison simply documented what she found with UK KC registered dogs, nothing more, nothing less, for those who never saw the TV documentary here it is at link below:

What she did was highlight a few very bad breed breeders without highlighting all the work the good ones are putting in.  I agree that her program gave designer dog breeders a massive push and encouraged many more to cash in on breeding them as people turned away from 'unhealthy' purebred dogs.

> just a matter of time till some enterprising entrepreneur starts up a 'New Age' pedigree dog registration site & printing different breed name pedigrees on a daily, individual basis, all perfectly legal.......

Already are at least three such pseudo registries.

at least three such pseudo registries

I'm waiting for the first 'Catachoo' to emerge from one of all the linguistic creative's out there.

Ye Gods.   Is all I can say.   Other than a fool and their money are soon parted.   That, at THAT PRICE?   What papers?   And I thought the price of a pet Basset going over £1K now was horrendous enough.     PDE must have been a godsend to BYBs and the like.   But I think it's long enough since that documentary, for none of this to be directly linked to the programme.   It just gave those so-minded people open cheques.   I can't imagine what the dog world is going to look like when I'm 6 ft under.   Thank goodness I'm no longer involved in any of that.

Loving 'Ms Puddleduck' - (Upvote from me for that one alone ).  That woman did a hatchet job on my main breed - and I know exactly how much ended up on the cutting room floor, directly from those in my breed who contributed and how much of what was shown was edited to fit the agenda.   I just hope what was shown hasn't influenced what we are now seeing in designer dogs.

'Other conditions that can be corrected by breeding two breeds together' -  yep, like the furious arguement I had with a man mixing Bassets with Shar Pei, 'to correct skin problems'.   Really.   Why these people don't just admit it's ALL for money instead of masking that with excuses, I don't get.

> I'm waiting for the first 'Catachoo' to emerge from one of all the linguistic creative's out there.

Sounds like I should start supplementing my income.  Thinking perhaps that I will mix a bull breed with a Shih Tzu. 

Nothing is too far fetched it seems, Jean.

I recently met a Basset X Dog de Bordeaux.  Sadly that is not a joke, but true.  Also true is the fact that he has had endless problems with his joints ....

Heartbreaking and so frustrating.  Apparently there is no end to the combinations.

I thought Flatcoats had escaped the worst of it but just the other day I came across the proud owner of a Poodle X Flatcoat  ...

So sad.

.............................................................think that I will mix a bull breed with a Shih Tzu.

                   
                                                                                   

Flatcoats

X

Raincoats

Poodle x Flatcoat!!!

Do you think it was called a Flatpoo?

Poodle x Flatcoat!!!.......Do you think it was called a Flatpoo?

I think it's a bit out dated anyway, welcome to 2018!!!.....and the new age of Crufts contenders!

Raccoon Dog X Dish_Cloth...........

http://bit.ly/2mAcyQR
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Jodi -

Don't know about "Flatpoos" but I know of a Great Dane X Poodle (yes, really) which I guess must be a "Great Poo".  I give up!

.... and now we get how-many question on many public websites asking 'what is my dog'!     Such a disaster.

asking 'what is my dog'

..........& the 'evolving' answer seems to be 'Rodent'...........not uncommonly referred to as vermin.
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I have seen staffy X shih tzus so that one's already been done!

It's insane, it really is.  I've seen quite a few litters of newfie-poos - I mean jaysus, imaging the grooming on that thing - and some more unnerving crosses, such as malinoisXczech wolfdog; malinoisXcaucasian shepherd and dobermann with the same.  Oh and recently, anatolianXpoodle.  Dogs that in their own right can be hard enough work but combined?  Yeesh.  And of course, sold to whoever thinks they sound like a cute cross.

Total money making exercise....A few years ago a local vet (so should have known better) decided to breed her 8 year old collie cross girl to a toller "to give her children the experience of rearing a litter"

There were 9 puppies which she originally advertised at £850!!! She eventually ended up giving them away....

There's a little of pug cross 'begal' on the local FB groups atm that's been on there for a while.  £650 a pup and the owner has come under fire for charging that much for a mongrel, to the degree that she's now just deleting any comments that aren't interest in buying!

Serves her right frankly.  IMO if you can't even spell the name of the breed you have, you have no business breeding from her.

> "to give her children the experience of rearing a litter"

I'm amazed how many vets breed for just that reason.  Beggars belief.

Talking of "Poos" I used to look after a Labradoodle. A nice dog but a bit odd in colouring. When people asked me what he was, I used to say "A door poo." With that name, they may have been less popular!

Jean definitely put me on a waiting list for your bull-shiht

My main irk with all the cross breeds, especially as a poodle owner who is asked so often by randoms if I will lend my boy to breed their lab/gr/gsd (really!?)/spaniel/weird spitz looking thing, is that the sort of person who is interested in breeding the crosses NEVER seems to be the sort of person interested in doing all the health tests. PRA, hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia all so so easy to test for and ANY vet can sort it for you. So why so many oodlefandoodles suffering. They don't test. Hybrid vigour = laziness justification theory.

They don't test. Hybrid vigour = laziness justification theory.

They don't test. Hybrid vigour = excuse not to spend any of the profits they are aiming for !!!

The joys of having a Spitz type...so easy to lie to people and say he's been done..the fluff does an excellent job of hiding his bits!

One of them has suprelorin, the other is only 9 months old. Even the oldest isn't even 2 yet but people still ask. I tend to say they "can't be bred" which is technically true as they're endorsed. And it's politer than saying I don't wamt to be in their designer dog car crash.

I try to keep a modesty tuft around the relevant area but it inevitably mats at a certain length and has to be shaved off (unsurprisingly they're not fans of having their balls dematted).

Lol, can't imagine they would enjoy that! Mine's endorsed too which is fine by me but it does make you wonder how many unscrupulous dog owners get a well bred pup and then breed anyway under the tag of excellent pedigree and register the offspring as dog lovers...pretty sure an acquaintance of mine got caught out with that one-she tried to tell us dog lovers was superior to KC reg.