I have a goegoeus toy poodle bitch. She was used as a breeding bitch before she came to me. She is now 12 years old. She knows how to use a tray and will use the garden when told, althouh we sometimes have problems with her inaprroiate use of the floor and carpets.

She now was an incontience problem, and will 'leak' when she is resting and also in her sleep.

I have tried Propalin which only seems to help sometimes.

DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY INCONTINENCE PADS FOR DOGS OR PRODUCTS OR IDEAS THAT I COULD USE?

This is now becoming a real big problem for us as she has the run of the entire house and we do not want to restrict her to the kitchen as this then resticts the other pets.

Thanks for any help or ideas or experiences you can share with me

Lorraine

I should go back to the vets and see if there is anything else that they can give your girl. If not then you will either have to live with it if nothing can be done or decide whether the dog is suffering, if this is the case a hard decsion may have to be made as the welfare and comfort of your dog is the most important thing. I hope you find a solution.

Lucy

Thanks Lucy, I am now registered.

I am planning to go back to the Vets but wanted to explore some other ideas and call on any experiece that may be available.

I have tried homeopathic remedies in the past (excellent for warts on her nose!) and am going to try something for this.

She is not stressed or even aware she has a problem - other than sometimes being a bit smelly! So fortunately i do not have to make any sad decisions at the moment.

I will keep you informed of the progress - although i suspect it will be slow.

Best wishes
Lorraine

Is there a homeopathic remedy that really works for warts?! Also, I have seen pads for in season bitches in a dog mag, don't know if they would work.
Hayley

Well, they certainly have them in the States http://www.weewee.mylanusa.com/ and http://www.furbabyfashions.com/belly_bands.htm but whether they work or not ?????

I reckon if I tried to put this on either of my dogs it would last about 3 seconds !!! :)

Hi

Thanks for the websites, it has certainly given me some ideas.

As the Furby babies are not currently taking orders I will try to make some doggy panties and see if this works with some sort of panty-liner.
The other liners from mylanusa, the company advise that the shipping cost to the Uk would be prohibitive, and I recall using something similar when i was litter-tray training her. (We now use newspaper!)

I know what you mean about keeping them on - it may be a challenge but I think with some perserverance and getting a comfortable design i may be able to persuade her to keep them on at night! When I am out of the house I guess will be a non-starter. I am sure she will have deposited them in the middle of the lounge floor before I have finished locking the door.

Thanks for your help on the websites. Best wishes.

Lorraine

Hi Hayley

Sorry, but it took me a while to find out what it was that I used for the Warts - it was Thuyja, you will see that Sheillanne has also tried this.

I know it worked very successfully for us.

Best wishes

Lorraine

Lorraine,

I know some people claim there are side effects, but when Propalin stopped being effective on my old Rough Collie, my vet switched her to Incurin - immediately effective, and cheaper/easier than Propalin. Why don't you ask your vet about it, and as long as he has no health concerns I would thoroughly recommend it.

Not sure of the accuracy of this, but believe Incurin may have originally been withdrawn and then re-launched, my vet was quite happy with it - but my M-i-L asked her vet for it and they wouldn't prescribe it ........ but then did later at his own suggestion.

M.

Hi

I have had a meeting with my vet and we are now trying the Incurin. So far this seems to be working and I am now trying to reduce the dose to half-tablet.

Thanks for the advice it was very useful to have all the information when i visited the Vet.

Best wishes

Lorraine

I used Propalin for my Dobie bitch for several years and it worked well. Incurinn didn't work at all.
The vet also gave me some small white tabs but I've forgotten what they are called. Began with 'E' - possible ephedrine???
They worked well.
Good luck anyway. I know it can be a tricky problem As you can imagine a Dobie dripping can be a big prob. Sadly she died aged 11.

Hi

I had a meeting with my vet and we are now trying the Incurin, which so far seems to be working. She explained about Ephradrine and the reasons why she would not like to try that yet, which all seemed to make sense.
Thanks for the advice - it was very useful to have the information when speaking with the Vet.

Best wishes

Lorraine

You could try Dennes Greenleaf tablets - worked well with my Dobermann cross when she started leaking - tried the vet route - nothing seemed to work except for these tablets,
did stop the leaking completely & if it returned then just a few days on the tablets cleared it again - can't remember now how long she was on the tablets when she first started taking them.
Good luck Steph

Hi Stephanie

Thanks for your message.
I got the details from the Denes website and I managed to buy some of these yesterday and am going to give them a try so 'fingers crossed' that they help.

Many thanks and best wishes
Lorraine

Hi Lorraine
Please let me know how you get on with the greenleaf tablets
Does sound exactly what my old Amber went through.

Currently using these tablets for my 14 year Vizsla male, Otto
who is not leaking, but a bit like a puppy, he would be lying
down in sitting room, get up & need a pee there & then, couldn't wait until he walked out into the garden before emptying his bladder, although might have been out in the garden an hour or less before.
Many times had started peeing before he had reached the kitchen or in the kitchen headed for the open back door.
Tablets do seem to be helping as now most times he does manage to make it to the garden or at least just outside the back door!
Urine samples have been checked by vet - no problems there before anyone asks.
Good luck
Steph

Lorraine
How is your girl getting on?
Steph

Hi Steph
I got the Greenleaf tablets the day you suggested them, so far there is no progress but she is still taking them.

I did manage to find some dog pants - mainly for bitches in season which are not really up to incontinence.

At night I am currently using new-born nappies (remember she is a toy poodle) which if they stay on are OK but she has a habit of wriggling out of them. But she is generally being a good girl about wearing them, and she has the personality to try to please me.

I have not been able to speak to an Animal Advisor at Ainsworths - they are always busy and you have to keep calling back - but the medicine they gave me previously did not work and I wanted to check if they had anything else.

SO, this week (I am hopeful that I can see my preferred Vet) we are back at the vets, armed with the name of various products that have been recommended above, to see if I can make any progress there.

Thanks Steph - I will keep you advised.

Best Wishes

Lorraine

Hi Steph,

Hope things are OK with you, as you can see I am currently having a few challenges with Nora - but we are using Incurin at the moment, which has been successfull so far. I am now going to try to reduce the dose to half-tablet.

I have also had some interesting ideas on Homeopathic remedies from Sheillanne which also confirmed the use of Thurja for warts! I thought you might find that interesting. Did you have any success with your wart problem?

Have a good Easter.

Best Wishes

Lorraine

Hi. I have an 11-year old spayed Rough Collie Bitch and she has had incontinent incidents over the last 5 years. I used to give her Propalin drops which did help. However now that I have gone the Homeopathic route, I do not want to go down the Propalin route which can cause other problems. I had treated her successfully with Pulsatilla a couple of years ago. Lately I have been treating her with Causticum because she is also Cystitis prone and there are other features that match the remedy. This recently has not worked, so my vet suggested going back to Thuja (which she had been taking 9 months ago for warts) for 3 days and then Causticum for another 3 days. However this did not work. He has now increased the potency to 200 which she has started on tonight and will continue tomorrow morning and tomorrow night, and then once a week. HOpefully this will work.

I have also been searching for incontinence pads and pants and did find them at long last at Petplanet.co.uk under the Training Aids section. The pants come in 4 sizes from small to x-large and the pads come in packs of 22.

I will keep you posted of the above treatment which I am hoping will work for Lady.

Regards

Sheila

Hi Sheila

I found the Propalin did not work successfully and have since had a meeting with my Vet, armed with the various bits of information and advice people have kindly shared, we are now trying the incurin, which so far is working, i am now just trying to reduce the dose to see if half-tablet will work. Things are a bit difficult at the moment as she broke her leg about three weeks ago (jumping off a garden bench - I think she may have got her leg stuck inbetween the slats) and has now had to be confined to a cage with a large plaster cast.

I have used Thuja for Warts (two pilules for two days), which was very successful for Warts on her nose - big problems for a poodle that needs to be shaved regularly! I would be interested to hear how you get on with the homeopathic remedies for the incontinence.

Thanks for the Petplanet web site - these pants look just what we need.
I finally managed to find the Mikki pants and pads but they are not suitable for incontinence the pads are not absorbent enough.
I also tried Huggies for New Born babies - these were better than nothing at night - but are difficult to keep on - i guess new babies do not wriggle around as much as dogs!

At the moment I am just using the Incurin and will see how things are in six weeks when the plaster cast is removed and things can get back to normal.

I hope the treatment works for Lady - please let me know how you get on.

Best wishes

Lorraine

There are two usual ways to treat hormone responsive urinary incontinence in spayed dogs.

1. Hormonal therapy with estrogen (Diethylstibestrol <DES>, natural estriol <Incurin>).
Although these works quite well, (by replacing the missing hormone in the urethral sphincter) estrogens are quite toxic to the bone marrow of dogs and cats and can have very severe side effects including death. The advantage to these treatments are there efficacy and in the case of DES once weekly dosing (I am not sure of the dose on Incurin).

Propalin = Phenypropanolamine, an antihistamine which used to be found regularly over the counter in the stated until it was removed from the human market because of side effects. Current availability is only by veterinary prescription. The side effects most seen are restlessness, irritability, hypertension, and occasionally loss of appetite. The trick is using a small enough does to not get the side effects but still get the desired effect. Blood pressure should be monitored if possible. In my practice i have found this to be the preferred alternative because of the inexpensiveness of the drug and the relative safety. When they took Phenylpropanolamine off the market in the US there was a scramble to be able to get it and most vets had to get it made by compounding pharmacies or illegally across the borders. Now there are two good sources Proin ( PRN Pharmaceuticals) and Propalin is now available in the states. Now this drug does not seem to work in all dogs but I would like to see the dosage amount and rate adjusted before I switch to DES. Also some dogs take a few weeks before you see really good results and some dogs with side effects may stop having them after a while.

The advantage to both of these are convenience. Pads and diapers are more labor intensive. If you do wish to try them tho you might try foster and smith pet bloomers. They even mail them!

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=12&pCatId=602

Now, finally, the cause of incontinence may not be this problem at all. Before putting any dog on one of these drugs (for the rest of the dogs life) your vet will (rightly) want to check for urinary tract infections, urinary stones and crystals, and possibly tumors.

I see you have just registered so let me say Welcome to the Forum.

I am sure we will be picking your brains on health matters, but as you have pointed out in another post, advice should be used to get a clue, and people should contact their own vet for treatment and a definate diagnosis for anthing but minor problems.