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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Induced Abortion
- By fullmoonhounds [us] Date 24.02.03 12:32 UTC
I have a desperate question. My bitch who is three was accidently bred to our bound an determined male that is only 1 year old. The breeder I bought the bitch from is strongly wanting me to abort the litter. I am having difficulty with this. Is this a common practice and at what point in the pregnancy is this done? The bitch is very healthy, OFA'd Excellent, Cerf'd and Thyroid normal. There is no danger to her at all, but the breeder of my bitch is concerned about the male being so young and not certified for hips. I have had an x-ray done and he shows no CHD. I know my reputation will be on the line with breeding the male so young but it was an accident and I am just not sure I can kill the puppies. Any advice?
- By Brainless [gb] Date 24.02.03 13:08 UTC
I know you can get preliminary OFA results for a dog over a year old, and then have to have him x-rayed again at 2 years old (luckily in Uk we hipscore from 12 months).

I would submit his x-rays for preliminary evaluation, and if they are good, and other health tests are fine, and no incompatability in the pedigrees, such as both parents being potentially carriers of something nasty, then I would go ahead with the pregnancy.

If the mating only occured in last few days, then I would terminate it, but not if it is several weeks on!
- By westie lover [gb] Date 24.02.03 15:21 UTC
If you dont want to breed her in the future you can have her spayed whilst pregnant. Personally I think that if the pregnacy is a few weeks on and you dont want to spay, then if she were mine I would let her have them and have the pups pts if the sire's prelim tests are not acceptable. Its a very hard decision either way. Bad luck.
- By dollface Date 24.02.03 15:38 UTC
Me personally I would let her have the pups, let the new owners no whats up and hope for the best.

Just my personal opinion.

ttfn :)
- By AGIOSGSDS [gb] Date 24.02.03 22:33 UTC
Yeah me too...the injection to abort the pups can cause harm to the bitch...i'd let her have the pups..and be more careful next time :D
tRACEY
- By sharon12 [gb] Date 24.02.03 22:33 UTC
If it was me, I'd couldn't abort the pups and the suggestion of letting her have the pups then have them killed is even worse. I agree with dollface. As long as you are up front with the new owners of the pups. I meen how many dogs are there out there who don't have tests and are perfectly healthy.
No I'd sooner raise them and give them away than destroy them.
- By Jane Ashwell [gb] Date 25.02.03 00:26 UTC
If you wish to breed from this bitch in the future then view the antimate jab with extreme suspicion (best done about three days after mating). I had my bitch antimate jabbed. Hedr next litter included a three legged pup, an inside out pup and a cleft palate pup. Three legs is now two and racing round on the three like a whippet, but the other two had to be destroyed on the spot. At the time I put it down to one of those things, but the amount of reports Ive heard of since on another thread somewhere in this site cannot be coincidence. I say this as all people were complaining of was inside out puppies, limbs missing, cleft palates....
Just as a footnote, this litter was two years after the jab, not next season...
- By Brainless [gb] Date 25.02.03 00:30 UTC
Thing is we have no idea what breed the poster has. It could be one that suffers from serious health problems, or has very poor elbows/hips etc. If the sires results are bad, then having pups that may be undhealthy, and selling them to pet homes would not be fair. Also in the USA people are far more likely to sue!
- By Bec [gb] Date 25.02.03 09:59 UTC
But as test's aren't a guarantee that the pups will not have any given disorder (unless proven by DNA testing) then surely this is just a formality? We all know that even 2 dogs with low scores have produced dogs with bad hips. I personally would let it progress.
- By fullmoonhounds [us] Date 25.02.03 13:16 UTC
Thank you all for some input. I raise AKC Black and Tan Coonhounds. They are both very nice dogs. Dad is on his way to his Ch and Mom was finished at 1 year old and was the number 6 bitch in the National in 2001 she is also OFA Excellent. All the dogs in the last three generations of Dad's pedigree are all OFA'd. I just don't feel comfortable aborting her and I have been reading lots of articles on side effects. This breeding was planned for her next year when the Sire passed OFA and I have bought two male dogs with CHD and both were horrible cases and they showed up on the x-ray this young so I feel confident that he does not have CHD. She is a week gone now, if she's even pregnant. I will have the litter, even if the breeder of my bitch disagrees, I don't want to risk the health of my bitch just so my reputation is upheld as a responsible breeder.
- By westie lover [gb] Date 25.02.03 15:32 UTC
Hi, well I think you are doing the best for the bitch, rather than bowing to pressure that may cause her more physical and emotional distress than actually giving birth normally and in my mind that DOES make you a responsible breeder. I do hope the boy's tests are good and that all goes well for you.
- By dollface Date 25.02.03 22:29 UTC
Hi, I do think u are making the right choice, and do let us know how many pups she has. Wishing u the best

ttfn :)
- By fullmoonhounds [us] Date 26.02.03 15:00 UTC
Thank you all for your input, I will let you all know how it goes.
Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Induced Abortion

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