I've been reading some health articles on  US Papillon Club https://www.papillonclub.org/health_articles_hypoglycemia.php

I've been aware toy breeds can be particularly susceptible to hypoglycaemia so I always have some Manuka honey in, and he's also well fed. Although he chose to reduce frequency of feeds before I would have liked, he eats nearly double the guideline ℅ (he's raw fed) and is fit, lean and healthy.

I'm questioning what the article says: a) to give NutriCal if pup hypoglycemic and NEVER give honey; b) to free feed pups (not appropriate especially with raw)
Anyone any thoughts or experiences?

Also, am I right in thinking that it isn't as much a problem 'once adult?  He's 12 months now.

I read a lot about this when we had Mia.  I don't know if in was lucky but I don't start raw feeding her until she was around 6 months . During the time she was kibble fed she ate little and was fussy.fortunately  no problems with blood sugars .she is now fed raw once a day as it fist with the rest and no problems. Is the honey connected with not feeding human  babies under a year something connect with botulism ? Otherwise I cant imagine why honey would be unsafe and u need to buy a party clarify commercial product .but then I am always sceptical about promotion  of commercial things .pretty sire it's only pups.that be susceptible unless there are health problems .goldimal.may know something

Thanks FF I've not heard of that with honey and botulism, I don't think  
It's good to know Mia's fine on one meal, I feed twice so Louis should (continue to ) be okay.
I picked up on it due to another raw feeder leaving food down and wondered why.  Obviously I also want to know for Louis too!

I forgot to ask: did you free feed and is that why you fed kibbles Furriefriends?

Goldmali and JeanSW would be great for this information too ;)

> I've not heard of that with honey and botulism

It's why they say not to give babies honey (I always did).

I'm glad it's not just me, Brainless

Yes I know brainless. That's what I meant and wondered  if it was the same with pups or thought to be.no I fed 3 or 4 meals  a day  if u can call.half a dozen pieces of kibble a meal .she was a real pain . Then I thought why am I not raw feeding ? Whispa was raw fed so why in earth not this small person too.that was when she started eating .8 years ago I had little of any knowledge and sort of felt my way with raw .bit different  to all the info around now.
Sorry first  post was another of my wonderful badly spelt badly types posts .I do try and they still go wrong

I don't free feed pups but know people who do. My greedy lot would just eat all at once. I've had 3 occurrences of hypoglycaemia -all were in adult dogs. And it was when they had vomited and/or not eaten as much as normal.

Your posts are perfectly understandable, FF, and, dare I put my teacher's hat on and say: "much improved "  HeHe    Mine deteriorate daily!  I doubt I could teach again- least I hope not

I've had, and continue to have, the advantage of yours, and many others experiences  of raw feeding; clearly I didn't feed. or even know about this way before this help and guidance.  I hold my hat up to you who have done this alone.

I've got to say that most things I've learned have stemmed from both posts and pointers in this group.  It's been amazing, I've learned so much and it's led me on to learn so much more.

Anyway, enough of that.  I'm glad to know you didn't free feed Ff as it's something I don't believe in and respect your opinion - plus it is another example of tiny dogs not needing it - not scientific I know but there was no scientific references in the article I read

Thanks so much for your reply Goldmali; I value your knowledge and experience.  It's good to know that I need to maintain my vigilance on hypoglycaemia.
What did you do to avert the problem?  Is honey not good?  Do I need to get something else in?
Sorry for bombarding you with questions - he's just so precious to me - I also want to help another Pap owner, if I can - with help

Thanks so much for your reply Goldmali; I value your knowledge and experience.  It's good to know that I need to maintain my vigilance on hypoglycaemia.
What did you do to avert the problem?  Is honey not good?  Do I need to get something else in?
Sorry for bombarding you with questions - he's just so precious to me - I also want to help another Pap owner, if I can - with help

Thanks teacher .at least I didn't get see me lol  nope I don't get the free feeding thing .at least one of mine would be the size of a house !

I'm sure honey is fine for hypoglycaemia in adult dogs, just not recommended for pups due to the potential for botulism.
I know it's not the same as your toy breed, but one of my spaniels has collapsed with hypoglycaemia while working a few times and I now carry a tube of "GlucoGel" which is convenient, sealed and has a long shelf life.

Thanks Gundogs I'll get some of that in.   It's a good job Louis didn't get hypoglycemic as a pup as I'd have given him honey :\

I have a lot of very small dogs and have only ever seen hypoglycaemia once, and I  nearly lost her.  She was an adult too, so I've never seen it in a pup.  She was in hospital on a drip and very, very poorly. 

While I appreciate that there are others on here who are happy to feed a tiny once a day, I'm afraid that I'm as horrified as my vet at that one!  It only needs a dog to sick up feed and it's not a risk I am willing to take.  I'm pretty level headed in emergencies and got my dog in for veterinary help very quickly, but I did find the experience frightening.  I had only ever seen a dog that ill once in my life.  (Bearded Collie, and not the same illness.)

That must have been horrible for you, JeanSW, but I'm glad she pulled through.

Do you give set meals or free feed?   I feed twice a day, Louis' probably been on this for about 6 months.

I feed twice a day for all.  Collies and toys.  Can you imagine free feeding with my gang?  It would be a sight to see! 

Gosh, Yes That would be a sight!!!

I've always fed adults twice a day, it seems too long a wait if only fed once.