lord h and hector have been having great fun chasing beas and wasps we have spent all week out in gardern when the two nuters are not taking over my sunlounger they are chasing beas etc
lord h has manged to get stung on his kneck silly old  b...ger
their is lump but gone down and he stiff but wearing off on right side off his neck
been told to give him piratine but i only have citezine for my hay fever
hector loves chasing bugs beas wasps
horse flys he stands under my big horse and chases bugs etc off him
anyone else have problems with their dogs chasing beas etc
he gets told off but thats pointers for you

certrizine is fine as long is is only certrizene and has no other antihistamines a few makes do and not the non drowsy one its similar dosage. Piriton is easily available from most chemists very cheaply as long as you don't tell them its for the dogs. If happened a couple of days age probably not worth giving anything now anyway as he will have got over the worst and if not needs to go to the vet anyway . why not double check with your vet about the antihisamines

Result of a quick google search:

Wasp sting venom is alkaline and so its effects can be neutralised with vinegar or acid and this neutralisationthen reduces the pain. 2. Bee sting venom is acidic and so its effects can be neutralised with bicarbonate of soda or alkali and this reaction reduces the pain.

I found the vinegar works well.

bicarb on bees , winigar on wasps ! that way its easy to remember

Brilliant - I may be able to remember which way round without having to look it up! Thank you!

thank you yes vinager great my gran use to use it on bea stings
i get citizen on repet pres so always got couple boxes in house
lord h was fine out walk with slip lead round his neck no soreness tendernes etc sitting out in garden at mo so hoping no more stings etc esp as hector got show tomm
hoping to spend day out in sun with book and hector runs his engary out so he not bouncing round ring tomm

oo better pop to shop and get bicorb of soda and vingegar
used all bicorb cleaning the toilit its great for cleaning

rozzi once you have the bicarb for bees the other falls into place. lol to many years learning mnemonics and other memory joggers me thinks

I always remember the vinegar for wasps. It's what my dad put on my tummy when a wasp got stuck inside my blouse when I was about five. I think he overdid it a bit, I stunk to high heaven for hours. I was actually more upset about the wasp crawling on me than getting stung. Didn't like creepy crawlies apart from ladybirds back then.

My boy always having a go at the wasps and honey bees. He does get stung on paws and has a whimper but still carries on. Never thought of Pirton furriefriends to give him! It's my prefered choice of hay fever relief.
Now 8f I could only get him to eat bluebottles 8d be happier!

wonder what would work for midges bits
scotish midges are nasty little sods
argyal midges are worst !!!!

Dont let them chase bees and wasps. Chances are they will get stung, if I see any of mine interested I verbally gruff at them and if they ignore I remove my dogs. I wont put them in the position to get stung. Accidents happen yes and they would be dealt with but its not a fun game for them to be playing

just want to point out as i am been acused of letting my dogs get hurt they get told and taken in to house lord h bee sting was accident !!!!
i am not cruel or let my dogs get injured
this was accident!!!!!! fed up of nasty people responding to my threads if you have not a kind word or want to help me ie advice do not respond to post

That's good as your original.post implies you've let them play as they were having great fun chasing them, if not on the sun lounger they were chasing.

i never said they were allowed hector always tried to chase easlicly in feild with horse and pony do you think i would be so stupid to let them chase this was accident do you think i.was trying to put my lot in danger esp after the week of hell i have had

This is where the written word and what you actually mean come across as totally different. Its the same on many forums so was one checking and two highlighting it for anyone reading this thinking its a fun game for the dogs.

Does anyone know of cases of anaphylaxis in dogs following  stings ?

The worst we had was when a newly whelped girl got stung . I think she probably swallowed the wasp. Her face and neck were very swollen and she could only make sort of 'rasping' sounds. I got her to the vet and all was well for a while. Shortly afterwards she developed a swelling in the neck which never resolved despite various medications -can't remember what but probably antibiotics. She ended having her neck opened up and fluid was drained  from the area. The wound took weeks to heal.

Yes, never tell the pharmacy you're buying Piriton for your dogs. I made that mistake  -opened my big mouth -and was refused . So I went to the next pharmacy along the road and said it was for me . No problem.

yes i made that mistake too at chemist i went in to chemist to ask for tea tree oil and citinerala oils chemist asked me what for i said to make fly spray for horses
i had one of my horses shealth swell right up after horse fly bites it was badly swollen got on phone to my boss who is vet he said to cold hose twice day and keep him in stable during day out at night
mother was with me she was very experinced horse lady she never seed bad swelling on shealth from bite
he was fine after few days got fly rug for him which he trashed within day of been on
cambria
only on this post but few others

it was hornet ie clegg that bit apollo on.sheaf we call them clegg up her in scotland had few bites on hands etc.the swell right up very sore

I'm in scotland and to me a clegg is a horsefly - big ugly brute of a fly, bites a triangle of flesh (often very painfully) out of the skin, which later swells up and itches like mad for a few days.  A hornet is a very large sort of wasp.  I've only once seen a hornet in Scotland actually, but saw loads on holiday in the south of germany once, they were the size of my thumb!

Glad the pups are okay, i had a wasp-eating dog in the past, luckily he never got stung, he used to chase them up against the glass patio door and squish/bite them in one move.  Yours truly had to clean the glass after!

My 3yo found a honeybee the other day, not seen one of those in YEARS.  It was on our hall floor right by the front door, think it'd been sunning itself and fell off when i opened the door.  We carefully moved it onto a nearby flower.

i am north ayrshire for first time ever we had hornets in horse and pony feild never ever have i ever seen hornet befor
the feild i had had river going throw middle and full trees
the strongest fly repellant and fly rugs never stoped them biting
thank you pups had me up at 5.30 this morninh to get out and play in sun then cats start meowing to be feed

> Does anyone know of cases of anaphylaxis in dogs following  stings ? <br />

Yes.   Not with a bee sting, but with multiple wasp stings.   Out in Canada, one of our hounds stuck his nose into a wasps nest.  Big mistake.   He was covered, went into shock, collapsed.   In panic I rang the nearest vet and was told by his wife that he was eating his supper ........... (in fairness we weren't registered with them, but with a vet some 15 miles away).   So we had to call our normal vet and tell him we were coming in.   Happily he survived but for that very reason, I always have Piraton in the cupboard, if not for my hounds, for my asthmatic husband who can react to some pollen and for me if on the odd occasion I react to grass pollen.   I don't seem to so much these days.

We had some odd kind of bee in the wood of an old shed just outside our back door where we once lived.   I had to baracade it off to keep my hounds away until the bees finally left.

We get hornets here. They are enormous and very aggressive. My worst experience was when we were in Newfoundland. We were walking along a forest path - as directed by the ranger -and I walked into a nest, it must have been on a low branch or something. It was terrifying. Just a terrible noise and painful stings on my arms and face. There's a photo of me shortly after -face red and swollen . I think I was lucky I wasn't more seriously affected.

I always thought cleggs were horseflies but I've heard woodlice being called cleggs

I don't personally know any dog that has suffered anaphylaxis but yes there is the potential as in allergy. I am not from Scotland but also thought cleggs were horseflies. Another flying beastie that can give very nasty bites that often give bad reactions. Mind I avoid hornets too. Woodlice are fine they don't bite

I once had two Lowchens stung after getting a swarm of wasps in the kitchen. The puppy's face looked as if he had been in a boxing match, but he recovered surprisingly quickly. His father didn't appear to have suffered any stings at the time, but started vomiting, and developed a painful generalised skin reaction a couple of hours later. The vet gave him an injection, and gave me two cortisone tablets, saying that I should always carry them with this particular dog. He never got stung again though!
I also had a Golden which developed an abscess on her throat, (external), which was thought to have most likely been caused by a bee leaving it's sting behind.

Does anyone know of cases of anaphylaxis in dogs following  stings ?

had to take a previous dog to vets at about 1/4 to midnight one Sat evening as he started coming up in little bumps - while you watched . on call vet was at a dinner and turned up in black tie/DJ.
turned out dog was going into anaphalactic shock probably from something as simple as an insect or ant bite
had shot of antihistamine and 2 other meds and a comment that if we had left him till next morning we would have lost him. He was fine next day.

my doctor recomed fly spray called smidge??? has anyone heard of it its supposed to stop midges.hornets etc etc from bitting
i make my own fly spray for horses have put it on dogs to stop gleggs biting them at horses

spray i make is
cold strong tea
baby oil
tea tree
citonella
put it in spray or juice bottle mix it up then put on with sponge

Horseflies nasty creatures. Had a bite from one in France I felt the crunch in my back. I was in a pool at the time and it was 33 degrees phew. Not seen any since. I've seen a few honey bees.
When our budleia in bloom the dog and cats suddenly lurch in bush after butterflies and the bees. I've resorted sometimes to using extended lead when sitting in garden to stop my boy and his learnt now. The wasps that fly in house however it's a race who gets it me to catch and escape with wasp outside or my boy finds it and then pats it on windows.
Not used a Pirton on dog but if he has reaction ill know I can.

Some years ago I was sat in the garden watching butterflies on the buddliea bush and I noticed a hornet hanging about. It waited patiently watching the butterflies, then when one settled on a flower and was still, the hornet pounced. It bit off the wings and flew off with the body. Fifteen minutes later it was back again. This happened time after time until there was quite a pile of wings under the bush. Rather sad, but amazing to watch

Always known horseflies as cleggs, nasty things that sneak up on you and bite hard.

First time I've heard the term Cleggs for horseflies

i have seen horses and ponys coverd in blood after been biten by cleggs also had mares  devolp mastits after been bitten by cleggs vet put cream up in to teats
cleggs seem to attack mares teets and gelding and stallion shealths
the bits apollo got in his shealf made it swell up so bad mother had horses all her life never seen such bad swelling few days kept in during day and cold hosing helped it waz on advice of my old boss who vet
i have had couple bites on my hand that swelled up really bad

Try this, it really works... http://www.veterinaryplace.com/dog-medicine/benadryl/ use it all the time for my rescue, he likes putting his nose where it shouldn't be and getting stung!!!!

should be the same drug as certrizine but need to be careful as we discuss these alternatives .some countries use similar or the same names and have different drugs in them particularly the non drowsy one and a mistake  that could be fatal. There are so many antihistamines n the market now it easy to miss something unless you are very sure

just catching up on countryfile on bbc2 they were saying if you see honey bee it sign spring her

sorry could you try that again I didn't quite understand ? Did you mean it kills her if she stings because if so yes that right which is why they leave the sting n and also its their last resort  to protect the hive as it kills them anyway . They are also becoming rarer endangered which is an environmental disaster

I was lead to believe that you must only use chlorphenamine maleate and not  cetrizine hydrochloride. Can anyone advise if that is correct?

http://reviews.petmeds.co.uk/4017-en_gb/3733/other-piriton-500-x-4mg-reviews/reviews.htm  as you will see this piriton and is the only antihistamine licensed for pet use. cetrizine hydrochloride marketed as  is not licensed for animal use but is safe and many vets recommend either. I have used both. the important thing is to make sure there is only the one drug in the tablet you buyas some especially us versions have other things added not suitable. I think the one a day ones may have mixtures  drugs in them

The dosage for both is the same but again re home remedies better to speak to your vet in the first instance. I am happy using either as my vet has told me the amounts and approved usages
If you are making up a first aid kit for your d to carry with you worth checking with vet for dosages as I am not happy to be responsible for th

john craven was saying that if you see honey bee it means that spring is her i was watching countryfile spring epos on bbc2 this morning
also bit about seting up bee and wasp box things to make honey

if you go on to iplayer thingy the country file spring epos will be on
i missed it on sunday night

Thanks for the reply  re piriton  Furrie Friends. I have always only ever used the original chlorphenamine maleate. Happily for me I am  confident to use my knowledge on my own animals with my vets blessing :)

I'm from the USA, but I also used the veterinaryplace and this source http://www.anydogrescue.org/benadryl-for-dogs/. I printed both of these out and took them to my veterinarian and she approved of them. She said they are good guides to follow for the sizes of my dogs so I don't give them too much Benadryl.