Or it scares me anyway.

Recently I met someone who has a large breed dog who is a breed that is a popular cross for the designer greeders.

Anyway we were talking about neutering and she told me that when her boy was about 18 months old she met a nice lady in the park with a lovely bitch of a different breed. They met on and off every few days in the same place and the dogs played while the owners passed the time of day.

One day about ten days after they'd first spoken she noticed her boy showing a strong interest and put him on lead and told the other owner the bitch was coming into season and to be careful. The next day she saw the woman again but in the distance, the bitch off lead, and she turned tail and walked elsewhere. A few days on she was walking out in the original place and her boy vanished into the bushes. You can guess! By the time she got through the thicket they were tied and the other owner made a big show of "rushing up" from where she'd been spotted casually watching as my acquaintance approached.

The dog's owner offered to pay for the post-act injection, the bitch owner said it was her fault so she would take care of it. A few months later a litter of designer puppies were advertised locally for ££££ each. My acquaintance tried to get the police involved, not interested, tried to see the litter and talk to the owner, but she was refused entry at the door.

All of this was her "and that is why I had him neutered" story!

I am gobsmacked and a bit shocked. Do people really do this!?

The other thing that's scary is it doesn't surprise me there are people like that.

My boy is intact and I've been asked more than once "Are you going to breed him?". "How many litters has he sired?" A total assumption on their part just because they saw dangly bits since he's never even mated. And the icing on the cake "A friend of mine is wanting to cross her bitch with a schnauzer to get non-shedding pups, what's your number so she can call you"
Not sure if I would have had my boy neutered if the same had happened to me. I need to think about that.

Like the term "designer greeders"

Could she not have taken a legal stand? Not exactly sure how she would proceed but surely Trevor Cooper could have advised? I am not at all shocked by such behaviour - after my experience with a known breeder and being screwed out of both a pup or the stud fee when I first started out on the road to breeding. I am saddened however that people have no morals or scruples and still manage to sleep at night....

I don't know, her boy is 6 now so this wasn't recent. She said she told the police and their stance was that it happened in a public space when both dogs were off lead so there was no crime committed. "Dogs will be dogs" was their stance.

I am sure a lot whose dogs "accidentally " mate would do this. Not quite the same but how many times have you heard " oh we didn't now she was in season and now she is pregnant. They then go on to make money from the oops
I certainly wouldn't have my dog neutered because some other idiot

I think very few things would surprise me nowadays, there is someone I know who always has "surprise" puppies, she has several breeds and they appear to escape pretty well every time they come in season and what do you know, a litter of accidents being sold for mega £££

what does she do remove the fence panel each season !

I belong to another forum and it's amazing how often a new poster will turn up 'asking' for advise as their bitch accidently became pregnant. This is greeted with raised eyebrows by many long term posters. Then follows a convoluted reason why it was an accident something a long the lines of a child let the dog out of a room and the next minute the two dogs had tied before anyone could do a thing. Yeah right.
Then Alizan is suggested and the new poster comes over all religious and couldn't bare to abort the puppies despite they might only be pinhead size.
It gets very difficult not to be rude to people like this who are only trying to get some free advice from the knowledgable breeders.
I seem to have become a terrible cynic these days.

I had a disagreement with a friend today about designer dog breeds. He was adamant KC now registers cockerpoos and labradoodles. He wouldn't have it when I tried to tell him that they were mongrels; in no way inferring that they can't be great dogs, but still...mongrels. His argument was on the basis that they have "all the paperwork" for their cockerpoo, and that's why "they cost so much."

No...they cost so much because people like YOU keep buying them and driving the market up. I can't deal with the stupid some days.

I had someone tell me very patiently, rather like you would explain to a child, that the doodles are not mongrels because they are a first cross, it is only the multi breed crosses that are called mongrels, the doodles are not! I was so annoyed at being spoken to as if I was stupid that I couldn't be bothered to argue. I just worry what will happen when all these so called designer dogs go out of fashion, more for the rescue centres I suppose.

I'd have asked to see the paperwork! That fascinates me - what on earth are these "papers" these people give out with the puppies?

Fake ones! He wouldn't have it, so I had to just shake my head. I guess people who have been duped into spending loads of money on a supposedly "legit" KC registered dog, don't want to be told they're been had!

But where did he send the change of ownership?

In fairness, the KC DO register crossbreeds, just not on the breed register. I can see how people could exploit that, or use another registry.

Really? I didn't know this. What is the point of them being registered? I mean, we register pedigree dogs so we can verify that they indeed have a pedigree. What are crosses registered as?

They can be registered on the activity register for doing obedience / agility / rally. :-)

On the activity register. It's designed for dogs which aren't on the breed register, generally so they can enter dog sports. But you can still have KC registration papers so....

You can see how it's easy to dupe people. What a complete waste of time.

The KC Activity register accepts all dogs, and this is where the Guide and Hearing Dogs register their breeding. I believe the KC also have a Companion Dog Register which accepts crossbreds. I think this provides an alternative to the Dog Lovers, (and similar) Register, which dog dealers use in order to be able to describe their poor puppies as, ' kennel club registered', - note, no capital letters.
I believe the KC Assured Breeder Scheme has members who breed Doodles. The point? I do not know!

They have assured breeders breeding doodles? For goodness sakes. No wonder a number of reputable breeders don't want anything to do with the scheme. As poodlenoodles opening point makes clear, breeding so called designer crosses has nothing to do with the betterment and welfare of dogs, and everything to do with profit.

I hate to sound cynical but with the rise and rise of cross breds the KC must be seeing a drop in their income as the pure bred numbers dip, maybe they are plugging this hole by registering anything, I can't really see any other reason as I believe that agility dogs used to be accepted onto the register as adults so no need to reg as puppies.

To be fair there will undoubtedly be good breeders of crosses who health test their dogs etc. They can't ALL be hiding in the bushes with flagging bitches waiting for the right boy to trot past!

About 16 years ago our 'first' dog a boarder collie cross, was in season (prior to being spade).  It was summer and the back door was open, I came down the stairs and found a male dog in the garden .  I've no idea how he got in, 6' fences all round, fortunately she was sitting down very firmly on her bottom glaring at him   if I'd been 10 minutes later who knows what might of happened.  Just saying

BUT IT WILL SAY 'CROSSBREED' ON THE KC REG.

Parents will be named by KC name if registered, or pet name if not,  and endorsements can be placed Luke on purebred  register.

Go to KC and download form 5.

Among the Obedience and Agility people there are purpose bred litters bred from successful completion dogs, and these pups will be registered on the activity register.