Jan Bending
The migrant workers, especially those from Eastern Europe,  are only to willing to take on such work.  It has nothing to do with taking work from UK citizens , nor indeed to do with undercutting wages etc etc

HP
Yes, as I said in another post, the Eastern Europeans have been very beneficial here in London & to Londons economy, they certainly are not trouble makers in any way (someone suggested), they get on with their own thing and bother no one.

The only variation from that is the fact that we had quite a few Romanian gypsies here at one time, the women were begging with kids in arms but mainly in some of the central London areas, from what little I know there was some kind of intensive clamp down on them a few years back, but many went back & bought houses in Romania, can't slag anybody/sub culture/nationality off for that.......just cause we got kicked out of Africa, India Australia & NZ, because they had had enough of us.
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I have a postal vote and have voted out already and my husband has done the same. We were great before the EU and will be so again. I do not want Brussels making our decisions. When we can't deport terrorists it's time to call it a day. The polititions just want jobs for the boys. When our country is well off enough to provide for all our own people, then we can accept migrants. No immigrants will be sent home that are already here if the out side win due to the Geneva convention

https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y

My son just sent me this link. Very interesting viewing.

The in camp and remain camp have both come out with weird and wonderful facts and stats....
I watched breakfast tv and noticed the royal mint in the background . It was mentioned if we come out the pound could go up and making interest rates go up. Possibly savers be pleased with this not mortgage payers. I recall buying a house at 12% rate and going up and up until 15%. It was a hard time but we just survived. Low rates now good for my son's who have brought houses recently both opting for fixed rate.

The euro has dropped from 1.28 rate to 1.23 and I'm wondering whether to buy some now or wait until after result... even if we leave it will take 2 years before we exit fully.

I'm still keeping with my decision I made weeks ago for me it feels right I know other family members voting differently. Beauty of free society and speech we can discuss it and agree to disagree in a civilised manner...

My parents ended up selling and renting in the mid 80's as they were having to use credit to buy food/petrol as their mortgage had gone up so much.

Luckily we just entered a new mortgage deal, fixed rate, so I'm not immediately panicked about that one.

I noticed yesterday even the Fail on Sunday was carrying a big "remain" type article, after months of fairly vitriolic "Leave" rhetoric. Someone at the top must be panicking.

The problem I think is that both sides act as if it's debate club. They will say anything to "win" forgetting that millions of lives are affected by the policy outcomes of their childish machinations.

I agree the public are not given plain simple stats without hype being involved... I'd like to see an independent fact/star sheet for remain and leave campaign.
In the late 80's and early 90's we took ages to find a house being gazumped by higher offers in an hour! I didn't have a fixed rate mortgage at first but we quickly locked into one 3 years on.... thankfully im free of that worry now.

Maybe even if we stay/leave  currency/stockmarkets may be affected for a few weeks

> even if we leave it will take 2 years before we exit fully.

I wonder how many people are actually aware of that fact and what that safety valve means?

I have not heard either side mention this and am only aware of it after reading an article in The Times.

I have been aware of this since the referendum announcement.  I think a lot of people are not aware of this time frame and must think we leave in a few days!?

According to the lecturer (an independent expert in the field) in the link I posted it's going to take nearer ten years and will be even less satisfactory and cost a huge amount of money.
I am voting in. I don't believe a word Johnson, Farage and Gove say.

Personally I agree. I don't like any of the Tories but feel the leave Tories are the worst, not coincidentally!

UK politics are in a horrible state. Glad I'm in Scotland at least (i know, groans all round, but yes I'm a Nasty Nat and not only voted but actively campaigned for Yes).

Well I did my bit, went and put my cross in a box.

Surprisingly quiet at my polling station.

If you have a vote USE IT.

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and what that safety valve means?

HP
I don't know what it means, what is it, thanks

I am not voting, I doubt we would be better off & I'm over 40 & I don't want to map out a 16 years olds entire futor- apart from that I think the reason reason Cameon, or whatever he's called, only said there would be referendum in the first place as a vote catcher at the last election......I presume he did say there would be one at the time, I took no notice of election pledges then so I am guessing it could have been on his vote catching spin.
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My favourite brexit tweet of the day:

If your head says Remain but your heart says Leave, remember that one is specifically designed for thinking and the other is a pump.

(via @Dsquareddigest on Twitter)



Use your vote people, however you decide to do so.

Used my vote

Done

Went this morning.

I don't understand those wanting to stay in. We fought 2 world wars and thousand of our people died  keeping the UK free of oppressors. This time the Germans and french mainly are being sneaky and trying to rule us without conflict.  If people are so keen to stay in the common market there is nothing stopping them going abroad to live as they choose.

Used mine  as a postal vote but went along to vote proxy for my daughter-got soaked in rain storms.

> We fought 2 world wars

Actually we didn't fight them alone, my mothers side were part of Anders Army. 

Awful lot of Polish pilots flew with the RAF.

On Dads side the first my Grandmother DAD and Aunt knew of the war (in Poland) was being bombed by the British, and my gran being buried alive and only dug out because her leg was sticking out of the ground.

It's separation and division causes wars. I voted in I'm a European and citizen of the world.

But I don't want to leave the country of my birth to be part of the larger picture thank you.

Seem to remember there were a fair few Americans, not too mention Aussies, New Zealanders, Indians etc etc as well.

Awful lot of Polish pilots flew with the RAF.

& what an excellent reputation those gained for themselves, the RAF had to do all the raf training clockwork type manouvers, the polish pilots were given their own squadron to fly in their own way & which flew from the ruislip airfield (Northolt now) they flew to kill as the only goal & kill they did....their hits per pilot was 'supposed' to be the highest of all squadrons, they were excellent all the way. There's a polish war memorial to them, google or google earth - northolt uk, polish war memorial -
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Yes, we fought two world wars over European soil and thanks to the EU we will never have to again. I'm in for that reason. And I believe in democracy, which doesn't mean "getting everything our own way". I am not afraid of the way the EU runs things. I'm terrified of how the conservatives operate however! I like the way the EU prevents extremes by pulling punches. I like moderation of politics.

What a sad morning. I am devastated. We will have to get on with it.

Me too, Treacle, me too.

The scaremongering Capitalists have won, I'm lucky in that I have dual nationality & so cannot be forced to leave as a unwanted immigrant.

The NHS will NOT be getting more money, racist quotas will be implemented across the board & not just from non EU countries. Don't forget more migrants from OUTSIDE the EU enter the UK & is as I suspect Scotland votes to leave the Union & stay in the EU, be prepared for having to get passports for all your dogs to go to Scotland !

How very very sad

Be prepared for Boris Johnson to be new PM

I stayed up all night to watch the votes unfold.   Fantastic viewing.  Disappointed in the London vote though.  I'm so very, very happy.

It's going to be an interesting time. I wonder if there will be another vote before the two year separation from Europe is up to make sure we haven't changed our minds, a la Ireland.

The thought of Johnson, Trump and Putin in control makes me shudder.

It wouldn't surprise me Jodi if we did. I'm optimistic this morning as it was the result I voted for. Even with sedative and pethidine floating round my head I can still follow tv stats.(In day case)
Sad see pm needs to resign. Don't feel Scotland should have another referendum before papers etc drawn up and we leave Europe. ....

I can't believe it's gone the way it has.   Not that I didn't suspect it would living here on the N.Cornish coast with a load of Leave posters and virtually no Remains.    This isn't going to end with the result of the vote, by a long way.   I hope those in Europe aren't going to tar us all ( assuming some who voted remain are here (!)) with the same brush.   48% of us wanted to stay in after all.   And what about Scotland who will most likely now take another referendum re the UK since most of them wanted to Remain.    Sad - in my opinion.  

ps    I don't like how much interference Brussels had in our internal affairs for sure, but always felt we were better with a foot in the door, rather than not.

> I stayed up all night to watch the votes unfold.

Me too. 

> I'm so very, very happy.

Me too!         

Am beyond sadness. G.. help us all. We now face a divided UK and a very uncertain world. Putin will be delighted. The next blow will be a Trump Presidency.

Have been looking on Rightmove at property in Scotland . I from there so maybe it's time to go home. Independence seems inevitable now.

A victory for racism and bigotry.

> ... Scotland . I from there so maybe it's time to go home.

You probably won't be the only one .

It's worrying to think about what might happen in Ireland/Northern Ireland especially since the vote there seemed to split on the old lines.  And Gibraltar will be open to all sorts of bullying tactics.

I just hope that Johnson and the others can actually deliver their promises and that they weren't all just unicorns dancing on rainbows.

The only good thing which might possibly come out of it is an end to the importation of farmed puppies (not holding my breath tho').

> The only good thing which might possibly come out of it is an end to the importation of farmed puppies (not holding my breath tho').

We had 500,000 coming in from Ireland anyway, anf of course the homegrown and Welsh ones

Not just the Polish from Europe, but many of the invaded countries who made their way to the UK, the Commonwealth countries supported from the outset, but the Yanks had to allow Pearl Harbour before they came to our aid.
Sadly my birth country stayed neutral, but that didn't stop volunteers enlisting

> We had 500,000 coming in from Ireland anyway

I was including the ones from the Irish Republic, which is (at present) still in the EU and we might (if the will were there) be able to bar - the ones from within the UK are a bad enough problem

It's the requirement for the Pet passport applying to Ireland (because of EU) that ahs made it more difficult for the Puppy farmers to export pups legally to UK.

I have never lived in Scotland, but my grandmother was a Scot, do I qualify for dual nationality?

Good point RR, my mum was a Scot and my dads family are Scottish within three generations back.

Not just the Polish from Europe,

I meant specifically just the Polish spitfire squadrons, ex polish air force, though I am fairly sure I saw one of the TV things which said it was a polish unit which took Monte Casino.
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RR
do I qualify for dual nationality

HP
No, you will be deported to Scotland.
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<Deported to Scotland>

Bring it on!!
Although it could just as easily be Western Europe, Scandinavia or Ireland according to my DNA!!

> polish unit which took Monte Casino

Yes my mothers side who stayed in UK were at Monte Casino

Yes my mothers side who stayed in UK were at Monte Casino

The were the troops which carried out the final assault on the Abbey, that was the end for the nazis' gustav line.
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Ok now were passed the formalities of the EU & when Scotland leaves UK any PM would have give us a national identity, I would Vote (if we get one) that we should be called - 'The New Icini nation' - applies only to English (current label) -
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Funny / sad comment stolen from the times letters page

Sir, It is now surely unthinkable that we can continue to call our country the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The only thing uniting us is our currency. Perhaps Poundland would be more appropriate. David Jones, London.

Me again, ancient Chinese curse.
May you live in interesting times.

Perhaps Poundland would be more appropriate.

Yea that was a quite witted, appropriate bit of satire

The problem has all stemmed from David Cameron not being forceful enough at the last EEC meeting of ministers. He backed down on virtually everything he set out to get showing what a weak person he actually is. Now we have this problem and what does he do? resign. A gutless person who only became PM through contacts not ability.

> He backed down on virtually everything he set out to get

This wasn't the only deciding factor for me, as I really did my research before making my decision (and I'm neither a bigot or a racist.)  I voted against joining the EU all that time ago.  But a much stronger leader is needed to stand up at these meetings.  We were a much admired country once.  It may take time, but I hope and pray that we will be again eventually.

I wish now after the result we talked positively about 'What we will do next' How can we open up trade?" Too many voices on radio and TV spouting negativity. It's done now votes casted and counted so time to move forward and embrace our new journey.

The so called luvvies Benedict/Bob Geldof and also Lineker/James Corbyn all slating the leave voters on twitter and apologising to the youth should put their effort into making it work not attempting to make the majority feel guilt for voting decisively.
Richard Branson who lives in virtual exile on a luxury island should button it too!