I was at work yesterday laughingly moaning about how my 11 week old puppy is great at holding it while we're out of the house but seems to think that when we get home it means she can wee wherever she wants. Only to be told by a colleague that they had asked their dog trainer friend and that whenever I found any mess I should rub her nose in it and then chuck her outside for an hour.
Surely trainers dont still advise people to use this method.
Am I wrong in thinking it went out with the dark ages.

Absolutely right - that kind of treatment is mediaeval and cruel. All it teaches a dog is to be scared of its owner - and then you'll never get a well-trained dog.

Trainers who advocate that are bullies.

I agree. I'd also like to push the trainers nose in it. See how they like it!

Rachel - it takes a while for them to get the idea, and she probably just forgets herself with the excitement of seeing you :)

Thats what I said.

It got a bit heated cos I said he should bring his trainer in and I'd put his head down the toilet and see how he liked it.

He's new at work or he would have known not to say anything remotely like that to me.

People just *love* giving unwanted advice, don't they? Especially the ones who had ONE dog, TWENTY years ago, when it was the "in thing" to push a dogs nose in it.

Hows she settling in now? I don't know about you but I forgot what hard work a puppy is! It does get easier though, and its worth it :)

She is hard work but as you say definitely worth it.

I've never had a puppy before, I've always had young dogs.
Everyone told me how hard it would be but always thought they were exaggerating.

It has put me off having kids for a long time cos if they're harder than a puppy I dont think I could cope without going insane.

She is lovely though. We're having a bit of trouble with housetraining but she walks fantastically on and off the lead. is wonderful with other dogs and people.

The worst thing though is her biting. we're getting there slowly but my hands are going to be scarred for a long time.

Hi, it does come down to perception and expectation... when I was housetraining willis I never thought it was possible for a dog to pee so much. He hardly seemed to know he was doing it, he would just stroll around, leaving a trail of it behind him.
I cured this by putting him outside twice as many times, and putting the whole thing down to the fact that he was so young that he just couldn't possibly hold it/or recognise the signs that he needed to go.

I also took a while to realise that they always want a wee as soon as they have finished playing, once I realised that I cracked it!

If he had his nose rubbed in it every time he missed the toilet or got it on the seat he would have a friction burn on his nose as long as your arm he may then change his way of thinking
NAD

Definitely never rub a dog's nose in their mess -- what good could possibly come of it? When training our pup, we would show him the mess and tell him firmly "No. You go outside." and then take him outside. We were firm, but not angry or cruel. Consistency is the most important thing when housebreaking a pup.

I am abso;utely horrified that a ""so called" dog trainer would suggest such a thing for a puppy.I am a trainer at my local dog club and myself and the other trainers would never advocate such treatment We have had people at the club that would smack a pup for having an accident in the house and my own response has always been would they smack a human baby for not having control when they say of course not then i ask well whats the difference pups are the same it takes time for them to gain control over bowels and bladder.When my own dogs have had an accident it's not their fault it's mine i'm the one that should be watching them and take the appropriate action by letting them out .

I'm speechless -
I thought this was the sort of advice from a bygone age !!!
Luckily our trainer makes you realise how a dog percieves things so you can see why he does or doesnt react a certain way . Makes you understand the doggy way of thinking
I would change my trainer if its possible - what other "rubbish" advice have they given out ?
lel

I think most owners and trainers usually offer more enlightened advice, but occasionally one does hear the "shove the dog's nose in it" advice. An ex boyfriend of mine admitted to me he used to do this with his brother;s JRT bitch puppy (even though he admitted it was 11 0'clock in the morning and the poor pup hadn;'t been let out) and I could hardly believe my ears.

The dog still hates him even now, and this is about 11 years later, she has never forgotten.

John Fisher said all it does is to rub the mess into the carpet fibres and make it harder to clean up :D

Lindsay

It's barbaric I know! My partners mother asked me if I rubbed Mungo's nose in his mess when he had an accident!!!! I was horrified - but very politley told her that people don't actually do that anymore. My Munster, Mungo, is now 13 weeks old and barks to go out everytime - we haven't had an accident in 4 days now :)

I caught her holding Mungo by the ears until he cried to get him to drop a stone :(
She's 78 years old - what could I say :( Needless to say I told my partner that his mother would only ever pup/dog sit over my dead body!!!! We both watch her like a hawk now when she visits.

You cant teach an old dog new tricks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
( sorry couldnt resist that !)
:)
Lel

I know Lel :)
But I really wanted to rip her flippin' ears off!!!! :)