Hi am new to this and looking for some advice, the people next door to me breed dogs they never walk them they hide them away and only let them out the back. After the dog can't have anymore pups it disappears and a new bitch appears, they don't work and claim dla for bipolar  it really sickens me

Distressing when you know what is going on, firstly sounds as though they have a few dogs, so alert your council, dog breeding is going on they will need to see how many bitches there are, the conditions and if enough they would need a breeding license, it varies from council to council, but more importantly the Tax Office needs to be told as it may well be a taxable income depending on how many litters/much profit, they make.

It is anonymous so you don't need to worry.

If the dogs look unkept, or do not have fresh water or enough food also contact the RSPCA.

If you do those things you've done your duty and some good may come of it for the dogs, you may save some from being used and abused.  If you're too nervous to make that call ask a friend or relative.

Hi am new to this and looking for some advice, the people next door to me breed dogs they never walk them they hide them away and only let them out the back. After the dog can't have anymore pups it disappears and a new bitch appears, they don't work and claim dla for bipolar  it really sickens me

they hide them away

So when they are 'hidden' you assume they are not out walking!?

don't work and claim dla for bipolar

So when you have tea & biscuits with them they confide their medical condition to you! maybe you could help them with washing up or dog walking to take the pressure of them.......
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Omg how very anti disabled !!!!
I am disabled and claim benifts i have 3 dogs 5 cats 1horses i hid away when i am really bad
insted of moaning on her go and chap their door and see if they need help
mibby the bitch has died at birth or old age
i think you need to think before you post
oh i use to breed horses so i must be bad breeder since i am disabled

I'm with Hethspaw on this one - things may not always be as they might appear and frankly my immediate reaction to all this was it's NOYB.   However if you have proof positive that the dogs are being neglected, then you can call in the RSPCA although frankly unless there's a TV camera around, they may well not come out.

As for the Benefits situation - that definitely isn't your business I'm afraid.

I'm sorry and really don't want to poke a stick at anyone, but I think you should go on your gut instinct. Too many people bury their heads in the sand allowing dogs to suffer because they feel it is not their business.

If you feel that when a dog has reached the end of its breeding time - and then disappears to be replaced by a younger model, then this would ring bells for me.
If you know that they are breeding and selling pups as a way to make money ( nothing about  benefits ) then this counts as BYB and needs reporting
If you know that the dogs are never walked, this counts as animal cruelty in my book

All these things would be a red light to me and I would have to call the RSPCA to see if they could check on the dogs welfare. I would also call the dog warden.

Do you have any idea what breed of dog they have? or how many breeding bitches?
How do you get on with your local vets, perhaps you could make enquiries to see if they have taken any dogs for treatment, explain to your vet the reasons for your enquiry/ worry

I'm afraid I really could not sleep at night if I thought for one moment that dogs were being used as breeding machines and being kept in non perfect surroundings - go for it - stick your nose in as you may regret it if you don't.

I too feel that the very least that should be done here is to inform the local council so they can check on the existence of a breeding licence if one were reqired in the circumstances and also inform the tax office so they can check whether or not tax ought to be paid on any profits made from dog breeding. Gut instinct shouldn't be ignored.

(Just tagging on to the end here). If there's any suspicion of dogs being hidden away, not treated well and used too much for breeding -be safe rather than sorry and get it checked out. There might not be a problem, but also there could be.

As far as DLA goes, unless they are aged under 16 or were born 1948 or earlier, this will be replaced by PIP. Believe me, this is NOT an easy benefit to be accepted for when it comes to mental health conditions. Also it is not means tested, so you could be a millionaire and still be entitled to claim it.

Tell me about it i have tried 16 times for pip.was reading in paper other day a lady that dying from cancer was turned down for pip just becuse she can dress her self
pip is so anti disabled and nurses and docts that do medicul are awful one doc had no idea what surgary i had done on my back.i have been to medicols pratcly crawing i was so much pain they say i am fit to work
hole benifts system is joke the do not care and have not got clue

Honey - as you can see from above there are two different trains of thought even from the dog lovers out there - those that immediately give the benefit of doubt and those that tend to think the worst first.

If I were you I would find out more, watch and try to see the dogs condition, take photos of the dogs condition, see if you can see any bedding, water, food, how clean is the back garden, ask them about their dogs in a simple interest way even ask what happened to their older girl if you can - you may find she has been rehomed as many breeders, good and bad, can do - and if after taking the time to study, watch and speak with them you still feel something is wrong then go with your gut .....report report report ...council, RSCPA, tax man ... all 3

Sometimes in life we have to go with our gut instinct but when it comes to the welfare of dogs AND their owners it is wise to slow down, watch carefully and be as sure as you can be first

I hope whatever happens you make the right choice and do the right thing and that both your neighbours and your dogs are well in the end whatever happens.

Good luck honey; I don't envy the position you're in.

Just to add - on the basis of things might not be quite what they appear to be, many breeders home their retired bitches o get them out of kennels.   For all you know, this might be what's going on there.   Not that for one moment I'm supporting BYBing or abusing dogs (or abusing the Welfare system!!) but before you pile in, I'd see if you can have a friendly conversation with these people.   If they have nothing to hide, they should be happy for your interest.

Of course, if there's a hygiene problem - living next door to a property where nothing is picked up or cleaned would be a problem - flies and rats and that would warrant a further investigation (Council Environment people).

The Government has long urged neighbours to rat on people they believe are claiming Benefits and shouldn't be!   But you do have to live there!

The Government has long urged neighbours to rat on people they believe are claiming Benefits and shouldn't be!   But you do have to live there!

I don't agree, those of us who do work full time, get taxed to death losing large parts of our income to TAX, why should others get away with not paying TAX on dog breeding when legally they should? Especially when already on disability,

Many of you are too hung up on the disability part, for bipolar?

Not interested in that, if someone is breeding and a neighbour (who lives next door, not on a forum) sees things going on, then the phone needs to be picked up, too many BYB's, too many bad and unhealthy examples of dogs being bred, they shouldn't be getting sympathy for being on disability pah!

It's hard to tell behind closed doors whether it's cruelty to animals,neglect of children, domestic violence. We all often turn a blind eye/ear re fear of being "wrong",interfering or its not my problem.
After the case of the poor little girl killed by parenting in her home I'll now report any thing disturbing. Neglect dogs/children or a friendly ear for a at wits end parent.
A call to council/Animal welfare I feel is in order if you have doubts.

I have had the RSPCA called out to me although this was done by neighbours insisting that I shut my dogs out all day and everyday with no shelter. In actual fact my dogs are walked 3 times a day, long walks am and pm and just a quick 10 minutes at lunchtime. The door is open at all times so they have the choice whether to be in to out. We work from home so they are never left alone. When it rains they are usually tucked up in bed, but when it is sunny they prefer to lay around outside - it is their choice.

But I really didn't mind the officer coming to check on my dogs as I had nothing to hide, he had a cuppa and left covered in dog hair where they had all climbed on him for a fuss and cuddle ( which he offered voluntarily) I would rather that than someone turn a blind eye and leave an animal of any kind, whether horse, rabbit or dog to suffer.
If your neighbours have nothing to hide then I am sure they won't mind as well.

> <br />I don't agree, those of us who do work full time, get taxed to death losing large parts of our income to TAX, why should others get away with not paying TAX on dog breeding when legally they should? Especially when already on disability,

Look, I have no problem with somebody who KNOWS there is abuse/neglect going on (animals) but I do draw the line if people are expected to act as spies for the Government.   Basically that would reduce a neighbourhood to a load of vigilantes wouldn't it?   And don't belittle 'bipolar'.   It's a very serious illness (even if there is a limit to how much a disability is dibilitating - in terms of keep animals and presumably making a profit off them).    I'm just trying to put forward a balance view here.   Not supporting or saying what's going on IN THIS CASE, is necessarily right either.   Of course nobody should 'get away' with anything - but ARE they?

Well MamaBas, that is for the officials to decide isn't it? That's why we call them to check things out, if everyone sat on their laurels as some people do, animals/children etc will suffer.

I've called the RSPCA and was right to do so,

This country is rife with animal cruelty, puppy farmers, people who throw animals away like rubbish any sign of it, we make that call and let the powers that be decide on the outcome, anyone who doesn't should be ashamed.

but I do draw the line if people are expected to act as spies for the Government.   Basically that would reduce a neighbourhood to a load of vigilantes wouldn't it?

No....... we're a civilised society (apparently) when people are doing things illegally, when hard working respectable people are paying taxes, and following the law, I don't wish my hard earned money to pay for people swinging the lead, the government is right to ask us to call about those that do, as they are taking money from the genuinely disabled, others suffer because of them........ it's like a plague we have parents, grandparents and their children all learning the system and how to milk it, these people certainly need reporting so that the money can go to genuine cases...............I don't want to even think about how much money is wasted on people who 'stretch the truth' the pot is only so big, so we need to help the government find these 'fibbers' and have more money for the genuine.

Pick up that phone and help.

. We really have know idea what is happening day to day and through the night. Mental health is a nightmare to suffer from and to care for someone with those conditions.  It also doesn't always show and can have massive implications. Not every one who has bipolar is able to appear on tv as Stephen fry and hold down a job of any type. Celebrities like Stephen Fry don't show the dark side of their condition and also how it can change over time

The whole household cant have bipolar which is how I read the op post, although someone may be a carer and claiming as well. Dla may be absolutely justified and even that is at different levels according to need. It isnt easy to get as goldmali says especially for MH, PIP being even harder. The dog side is what I would be most concerned about and any environmental problems

I can not go in too much detials i have had sspca and british horse society vist at lest 16 times due to someone harrse me and make up vile evil rumors i had to go to local paper to prove that my dogs cats horses were not negleted etc sscpa and british horse soc said they were sick of coming to see my anaimals as they were so well cared for
the harsement vile rumers etc were put up on fb it has cost me my buisness friends family it was not just my aniamls it was disgusting rumers about my son too
the police and lawyers are involed too

Some people report people out of sher nasty and evilness

The Government has long urged neighbours to rat on people they believe are claiming Benefits and shouldn't be!

Like I said, this is NOT a means tested benefit, and one VERY difficult to get. Not something you can cheat yourself into. (I am currently going through the process for it so really do know.)

Goldmai i wish you all best for pip or dla .i hope you get it  i have tried 16 times for pip so now what you are going throw

I would definitely report it.

Carrington - All I can say is I hope you are right about what's going on, and can live with the consequences if you are not right.    Personally I prefer to make sure my own house is in order and MMOB.

and can live with the consequences if you are not right.

Not meaning to keep going on, but that is a bit of a silly comment to make IMO, the consequences would be a visit from the council to see how many bitches/dogs are on the premises and how much breeding is going on, whether a council license will need to be payed for along with breeding conditions checked. And whether tax needs paying. If the animals are not being cared for the RSPCA will need calling.

If you feel those are terrible things to happen, then I'm sorry, but we are respectfully worlds apart.

Would you rather turn a blind eye to a potential puppy farmer?

If there is no case to answer, then that is the end of it, the complainant will be told the matter is over, it is anonymous and the neighbours will have one day of explaining to do, The End. There is a world of difference between harassing someone for other reasons and a genuine concern.

I think everyone can live with those consequences.

Unfortunately, I think that the OP has been frightened away and probably wishes they had not mentioned disability ( I do) as the thread turned into something else, I really hope the consequences of that are that potentially mistreated dogs will not continue to suffer.

I agree, the main content of the original post was about concern for the animals, the mention of benefit was not the main concern of the OP. I hope she has not been frightened away by the outcry regarding disability when I feel she was asking for guidance re the possibility of BYBreeding and the welfare of the dogs.

> If there is no case to answer, then that is the end of it, the complainant will be told the matter is over, it is anonymous and the neighbours will have one day of explaining to do, The End. There is a world of difference between harassing someone for other reasons and a genuine concern.

That's a given but my 'live with the consequences if you are not right' comment was made on the basis that things are not always as they seem. If that seems silly, then so be it.  And I do know that if a neighbour called in the authorities on me, without perhaps talking to me first to find out what's going on, I'd not be feeling kindly towards that person, assuming there were no grounds for complaint.   Even if done anonymously, I have a feeling there may be enough previous for these people to have their suspicions?

I think we may well be worlds apart which is a pity because we shouldn't be.   I just hate it if people stick their noses in where not needed.

Let's hope that if there is neglect or abuse going on in there, it will be stopped.

Add -   I'm honestly not trying to be confrontational over this - just to see both sides of this situation much as there may well be only 'one side'.

Add -   I'm honestly not trying to be confrontational over this - just to see both sides of this situation much as there may well be only 'one side'.

I get that I also get that some people are malicious, love causing trouble, don't see the whole picture or basically just don't like dogs. There are plenty of people like that. Seems many on here have met those types, but it shouldn't cloud people's judgement.

The concern here is: looking for some advice, the people next door to me breed dogs they never walk them they hide them away and only let them out the back. for me this needs the advice given, a dog shouldn't live the life of a battery chicken, and it should be looked into, a dogs welfare needs to come first, if the OP is wrong he/she's wrong, and maybe will explain and apologise,

Caring about these animals welfare is not wrong, I wouldn't want to watch it, if that is what's happening?

The thing is today you won't find many people who will knock on a neighbours door to ask, for fear of retribution or getting told where to go............ so it is very difficult for any of us to get both sides, I acknowledge that,  it's why if there is a concern the authorities are there to check it out, they will get the full picture.

All dogs should be loved, cared for and given a good quality of life, we should wish for all dogs to get at least a good dose of what we give our own.

I do get you looking at the human side, and if the neighbour has got it all wrong, but...........

If at the very worst some feelings get hurt for a day or two IMO it's worth it, nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

We'll agree to disagree, that's fine too, As I couldn't MMOB, it's not thinking the worst, it's living with your conscience, obviously the OP here is troubled by the whole thing.

Carrington you need to be careful with the advise you give you don't no any details of the other side just one point of view ( reporting them and informing the tax people come on !!)

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

Pennyfields I am interested to know what you would do if you had a feeling an animal was not being treated well.

Would you sit back and wait to get more information, tip toeing around so as not to hurt the feelings of a possible unauthorised breeder, staying quiet in case you offend your neighbour.  Or would you follow your gut feeling and get someone to check on the animals welfare knowing that if that neighbour was doing nothing wrong then they really should not mind being checked.

Would you be able to sleep at night knowing that an animal could be suffering because you chose to wait it out.  Or for peace of mind could you report them - even if you were wrong at least the 'possibly' and the 'maybe' would be gone.
If these people are BYB then they are creating puppies for money only without caring for the welfare of the breeding bitches, so yes they need reporting for illegal earnings. ( doubtful that tax is being paid )

I am 74 and still working full time out of necessity, but I still pay my tax - so why should others get away without paying this especially if it involves breeding more puppies that could be sold to anyone with cash in their hands and then most likely end up in rescue.
For me doing nothing is not an option

Sillysue ditto, and Kenny extremely apt.

Pennyfields before posting a comment please make sure that your facts are correct, when someone is suspected of breeding for profit and not taking care of their animals, the council, tax office and RSPCA are the correct advice, (perhaps you did not know that, but now you do )

At least I hope that was the reason for your comment and not come on !! which may indicate a complete lack of caring tut, tut.

Tea and biscuits no longer solve the worlds problems..............

WALLACE123

Please do not be put off by the few negative comments............forum life!   If you can let us know what happens, I hope that all will work out well, whichever way.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

That was exactly what I was going to post. When we read of the terrible things that happen in this world it is all too often aided by those who saw/suspected but who stood by and did nothing.