.... their litters as they used to in the past?    In my main breed there is only one litter on here right now whereas there are 3 pages, not all litters, on another well-known website?   I much prefer to see pedigrees of the litters on adverts, which the other website doesn't provide, so why are breeders apparently avoiding advertising on Champdogs these days?

One problem with pedigrees being published online is that they get stolen and used to falsify pedigrees registered with any of the Mickey Mouse registries. And are the breeders you see elsewhere ones known to be responsible? Certainly in my breeds the irresponsible advertise elsewhere, and the responsible often have waiting lists so don't always need to advertise. I get plenty of enquiries via CD and the KC ABS listing, from people who don't even know if I am planning a litter or not (i.e. just from the breeder listings), and those tend to be good quality enquiries happy to wait.

> One problem with pedigrees being published online is that they get stolen and used to falsify pedigrees registered with any of the Mickey Mouse registries. And are the breeders you see elsewhere ones known to be responsible?

I'd not thought about pedigree being stolen like that - what times we do live in!!     Although in the past, reputable breeders wouldn't need to advertise at all and certainly wouldn't be 'seen dead' on the website I'm thinking about (), more and more I'm seeing people I recognise on that website too.   But not on Champdogs.   It's sad to see these people listing amongst all the mix-bred litters. 

Yes I fully agree.

I was looking in standerd dachound puppy lists on champ dog theirs nothing coming up its shame but i do blame breeders for not listing due to people stealing
i have experinced faul pedigre.fauls passport and swaped foal
it took 2yrs endles dna tests.lawyers.police.nation wide search for my foal and mare that had swaped foal came from.threats harsement.nervers breakdown
so yes i do not blame breeds for listing litters and pedigre

The breeders of my dog did advertise for a time, but kept getting random calls from drunks, so took the ad off and can now only be contacted via the KC. They rarely breed

I much prefer KC to advertise, I used Champdogs for the first time earlier this year to give it a try, but the calibre of queries from KC far outweighed Champdogs.

People were far more knowledgeable and had obviously done their research, whereas Champdog queries were mainly 'got any pups left and how much are they' type of queries.

I got a horrendous amount of awful enquiries from CD and also KC. A few owners came through word of mouth or linked to my own personal fb page but actually the rest were from CD

Maybe it's breed related. I get great enquiries both from the KC and CD. Never had any good ones from any other site, other than my own website. Found it utterly pointless to try advertising on the many infamous ones as all replies I got were from people I'd never consider selling to. (One of the "best" ones ever was the person who demanded that if they bought an 8 week old pup it had to be fully house trained!)

Goldmali, I hope your immediate response was "Were you house-trained at 8 weeks?".  Idiots like that don't deserve to be pet owners.

Are the ones advertising on the other site but not champdogs paid members? As I'm sure the free accounts can't use the litter adverts.

I have to say as I don't NEED to advertise I tend just to have a breeders listing presence anywhere free, as my breed so rarely has many advertised the hope is that decent breeder listings will filter people to a well bred puppy.

I have had excellent results using CD, I like being able to advertise when the bitch has just been mated and pick through the applicants and they love being involved from the early stages, gives me lots of time to meet and assess people.  I did enquire on another site out of curiosity but they would only list puppies already born, I do have a waiting list but it's funny how that can reduce suddenly or the puppies are the "wrong" sex.  As for stealing pedigrees, it couldn't be easier, there are lots of ways to get them and buyers who don't know what a proper KC one looks like don't care, I saw someone recently with a puppy and she showed me the "pedigree" which contains animals who are long dead and some who never existed. Sad though that people are put off for fear of their puppies being stolen.

Interesting replies.   Happily I never needed to advertise my litters other than once and on that occasion, put my ad. on the Kennel Club list where, to my horror, I found myself listed with people I knew were puppy farmers.   Never again!   I was just interested to note that whereas in the past in my main breed, there were usually at least half a dozen litters on CD, it's been dwindling a lot of late.   Would that was because people are thinking twice before taking a litter from their bitches.   Ads on the other website would suggest this isn't so although I have to say there are lot of mix-bred litters being advertised (rare - cough) at stupid prices.    I also heard that people pitch their prices high, EXPECTING to be bartered down.   That's a departure from 'my days' too.

I think it's a good thing that breeders advertise on "those" websites.  Not everyone knows how/where/why/what to look for for a well-bred, health tested dog.  The contrast between these and byb ads shows - as does the price - well-bred being similar, or even lower, priced. I also think it encourages (sets an example for) those who deliberately cross breed, and care about their dogs, to health test, socialise, screen prospective owners etc.

You've posted what I was going to say debbo lol. A well worded advert might show Joe Public what they could/should expect from a reputable breeder. You can also explain why health tests are done/what they involve.

Often people who scour those sites want something cheap and now.i personally wouldn't want to associate myself with the dross on there and feel that all these sites should be prevented from allowing pets to be sold, it allows the bybs and puppy farmers to advertise.. These sites have no morals and allow anyone and thing to be sold. At least cd has standards and requirements. All these cross breeds would be stifled in a way to sell their overpriced, unhealth tested pups with outrageous claims.

People on there often pay ridiculous prices, especially for 'rare'  colours, oodles,  micro t-cup, and "healthy" crossbreeds.
I've seen some fantastic adverts explaining breeding, temperament, health tests, what is expected from prospective owners - and with links to their website.   How else is Joe Public going to be educated when, at least every other dog is, let's say, not from a dedicated breeder so that's what they see and talk about?

People on there often pay ridiculous prices, especially for 'rare'  colours, oodles,  micro t-cup, and "healthy" crossbreeds.
I've seen some fantastic adverts explaining breeding, temperament, health tests, what is expected from prospective owners - and with links to their website.   How else is Joe Public going to be educated when, at least every other dog is, let's say, not from a dedicated breeder so that's what they see and talk about?

I've advertised on CD for several years.
I have listed what I consider the ideal type of breeder from where to source a puppy of my breed.
But...despite having 2 bitches listed with their health tests and those of their mothers and fathers and type of puppy I produce, I very seldom have a puppy for sale, don't keep waiting lists and never take a deposit.

At the moment I'm getting at least one contact from CD a DAY...all of which I have to inform  " no puppies".

Sadly I seldom know where to direct them to find similarly health screened pups. I may have to reconsider my presence here as
It's just causing more frustration for puppy seekers than help.

Still don't agree because they get lost when you put them up against others in the breed. People see you show as they do and often ignore, ita only show dogs who have health problems blah blah blah. I don't agree with selling on sites where there is no minimum requirement like even kc reg. I think all these sites need to be removed until they agree they wont allow dogs to ve sold and other pets, especially rehomes. Instead they have a list for general and breed rescues to contact and do it that way. Puppies for sale, well those in it for the money and nothing else would find themselves struggling to sell their pups, it would mean a written advert for the local pet shop. I do believe that would have a major impact. If they put in place what cd does then maybe we would be getting somewhere, sadly the KC wont but you know they are reg on their find a puppy, for now at least.

> The contrast between these and byb ads shows - as does the price

Hum.   Would that was the case.    Looking at ads. for my main breed, most from known breeders, producing quality litters, tend to be low-key and if I was a novice buyer, I'd be mighty impresed by rare - colour and so on.   As for prices, often BYBs are asking (getting?) crazy prices for rare!!

How ironic that I thought tonight I hadn't dropped in for such a long time. Just wanted to say hello and how your advice really helped. My little one just turned 2 is the most confident clever happy little dog and I believe it was down to your advice to research your breeder, socialise and train amongst other things. Nothing worries her fireworks grooming etc it was hard work but so worth it just wish I could post a pic of her chilling In The bath ! She even loves her bath!

BTW she was a. CD pup - it was a long process but well worth it the breeder and I are still in contact I now consider her a friend

Like you guys, my girls are health tested and the stud dog is also fully health tested (not easy to find in my breed). Pups are home reared in the lounge throughout (and used to going on different surfaces, spending time in the garden etc), are used to going in the car, well socialised and stimulated. I sleep beside the litter on a sofa for the whole 8 weeks (and before they're born, in case they come early). Pups are also health tested (hearing/eyes) which entails a lot of travel from where I live and they go to their new homes with contracts /'must be returned to me' rider if they can't be kept for any reason and at any age in their life. In other words, I rear the litter as well as I can and I only breed when I want a puppy for myself (so just two litters in 18 years).

However, I'm not allowed to advertise on CD as my breed (Working Sheepdogs) are not a pedigree breed so we don't qualify for inclusion. If I have a puppy available, I wouldn't have a problem with putting an advert on these websites and then screening any responses.

The only reason I don't use it to advertise is because itcosts money to do so.
I can quite easily use the free sites and get great response.

Money well spent on finding/getting enquiries from a 'better' puppy buyers in my opinion. I don't regret keeping my subscription going for the last 3 years without having any litters because now that I am, I have the enquiries I need. Champdogs & my own website are my only choice of advertising...

I was on another website about fencing who linked me to a dog breeder.  I went to that website as it was my breed of dog and in large letters is said "view me on champdogs".  I was very pleased to see that because to me it was a good recommendation.