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artical in daily mail on line by vet saying not to chip pups and small dogs as it could lead to death etc
i do not now how to share link on her

I've never chipped Chihuahuas until they are 6 months old.  On my vets advice.

I know others disagree, but it's my choice.

I have chipped Papillon pups as early as 4 weeks. No problem at all. The vaccination always makes them scream, but I've never had one react to being chipped.

The artical trying to get people ie scare mongery not to chip and break the law my sprnger x pointer i bred got his jabs and chiped he was stolen alone with his mum i never got them back
my cats were all chiped at 8weeks and my horse was done too as yearling pointers are all done and new id tags

Like it or not, disagree of not, the LAW will soon mean microchipping will be COMPULSORY for ANY dog, big or small.   Are you seriously saying The Daily Wail is suggesting a VET has said this?    I have yet to understand how this law is going to be policed, but if a breeder or owner is found with an unchipped dog after this becomes law, they will be warned and given days to conform, or be fined £500.     I'd love to see a link to this article and the reasons for this idea that it could lead to death?    I held out getting my Whippet done, having serious concerns about her thin skin and lack of surplus skin.   She was done this past week, and appears to be fine.   She is now over 7 however, and so not a puppy.

Yes the vet has said not to chip etc and break law
really sorry i do not now how to share link
if you down load dail mail on line throw google apps

link should be here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520242/Don-t-small-dogs-microchipped-procedure-deadly-warn-vets-urge-owners-flout-new-law.html

Thanks lexy for putting link up

mad, I've had tiny kittens done and much smaller creatures such as birds and tortoises are routinely chipped.

Has he not heard of mini chips ????

Zoos chip smallest monkeys ie marmosts and also meercats and mongooses

A staffy was found tied to a fence with a hole in her skin where they had removed the micro-chip before dumping her.  Makes you wonder about the benefit of chipping.

Many years ago my vet advised against micro chipping very young puppies, he advised to wait until their first booster jab.
He said there was more likelyhood of the chip moving in such young dogs, plus the less injections at such a young age the
less likely the pup was to get problems, he was chipped at just over a year old but suffered adverse reaction to the vaccination so never had another
one

> Are you seriously saying The Daily Wail is suggesting a VET has said this?

My husband is a trained microchip implanter and a Vet can give an exemption certificate for pups to be chipped later by a set datee, but they must be chipped before sale.

> A staffy was found tied to a fence with a hole in her skin where they had removed the micro-chip before dumping her.  Makes you wonder about the benefit of chipping.

Until there's a much bigger support system in place, there isn't much benefit, at least in terms of tracking previous owners and that side of things.  Some benefit for reuniting pets and owners however, there's no compulsory scanning, no one has to report unchipped dogs (vets, kennels etc).  There have been a fair few stories lately of pets reunited after years away because it took that long for someone to scan them and find their microchip.  It's ridiculous.

Fortunately the above incidents are rare but that is another issue.  I do know someone who's had all her dogs' chips removed because one suffered a severe reaction to hers and she will not re-chip the others, even though they had no problems.

> I do know someone who's had all her dogs' chips removed because one suffered a severe reaction to hers and she will not re-chip the others, even though they had no problems.

This is the problem with blanket rules.   I'm watching my now 'chipped Whippet closely and it took until last week for me to make up my mind about even getting her 'chipped.    Interesting that you say 'no one has to report unchipped dogs (vets, kennels etc.) because I have yet to have had a straight answer to this question which before I said go ahead with my Whippet, I needed answered.   Again in over 40 years, with multiple hounds, NONE of mine has ever escaped and been picked up straying.  None.   Yes we've had the occasional 'take off' on a hot scent out in the wilds (Canada mainly) but they have always return to us, once the trail went cold.   Never say never, of course.   But my current two are now 'chipped.  I have a suspicion that, like the old Dog Licence in the past, this Law will be ignored by the very people who SHOULD be 'chipping their dogs.   Otherwise it's only the good owners who will get this done - those whose dogs rarely stray, even if they could still be stolen of course.

Can anybody tell me whether the company used will get back with the paperwork?   When my Basset was done I was given a Petlog folder with all the information I needed.   With my Whippet last week, all I was given was a sticky label with her number on it, to put on her shot-card.   I don't even know, but can ask of course, which registry these vets use.   I 'assume' Pet log.   I was told it was all done via computer, so presumably the follow-up info. will eventually arrive by mail?

I had involvement with a kitten of around 8 weeks who bled out from the chip site 48 hours after being chipped. The rest of the litter were fine. As for the policing tbh its not going to be. Vets don't have to check and report chips and due to the wording of the legislation it is actually against their relationship with their clients. EVen if they wished to report you and most vets don't check anyway there is no structure in place to scan.
There is requirement that an authority on finding a dog must scan for a chip even though some do. A lot of places don't have dog wardens who could do this so and the chances of a dog warden walking around scanning every dog they meet is remote unless their councils insist this becomes part of their job. All in all its a half way legislation. 
In the future laws may be changed to tighten it up but atm they are whistling in the wind
Ay one who is interested in knowing more about this there are a couple of fb groups with good information in regarding chipping . Not just general chit chat

https://www.facebook.com/groups/290688054217/?fref=ts
http://www.vettimes.co.uk/article/not-microchipping-is-not-an-offence/?utm_content=buffere8f56&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

When i got my horse and cats chiped the company sent me info throw few weeks after chipping
only thing was chip company had apollo as stallion he was gelding they said i had to send £5.00 to chance it to gelding

> As for the policing tbh its not going to be. Vets don't have to check and report chips....... EVen if they wished to report you and most vets don't check anyway there is no structure in place to scan.<br />There is requirement that an authority on finding a dog must scan for a chip even though some do. A lot of places don't have dog wardens who could do this so and the chances of a dog warden walking around scanning every dog they meet is remote unless their councils insist this becomes part of their job.

Look it's the law that all dogs must wear a collar with a  tag bearing owners name and address.  Unless it's a very hairy dog the presence of a tag is obvious, yet I have never heard of anyone being taken to task for the lack of tag, so even less likely for an invisible to naked eye chip.


Mine wear tagged collar 24/7, have been ear tattooed, and chipped, but have never yet had one be reunited with me other than by the collar tag.

In this instance the dog had lagged behind on walk, I and not spotted her missing and a kind soul who she had walked up to say hello to took her to my home thinking her lost, though she had rung the phone number and got my daughter first.

Nb my post should have said there is no requirement for any authority  to scan your dog if found although many do .its how dogs have got rehomed in spite of chips or killed and bodies disposed of with no checking.any dogs that have the details of a rescue should now be updated to the owner but I believe it's responsibility of the of the rescue or an original owner to do this not the new one

I think it depends on area you live in. around here when I have taken in animals for first time- both my own and relatives - the vets locally all scan at first consult with new animal. A friend of mine bought a young dog privately and at first check up at vet he was scanned -and was devestated to discover he was a stolen dog. My friend was very upset but glad to reunite the young dog with his rightful owner.

I think you are right weimed but it just goes to show how unsound the legislation is if its so variable.

I went to a new vet recently because they are cheaper and could get an appt sooner, they didn't ask for any details and didn't check chips either. What I would want is new dogs into a practice to be checked for a chip and then details checked against a database to make sure not stolen

I think I read that even if the details don't match the vet can't tell previous owner

"Look it's the law that all dogs must wear a collar with a  tag bearing owners name and address.  Unless it's a very hairy dog the presence of a tag is obvious, yet I have never heard of anyone being taken to task for the lack of tag, so even less likely for an invisible to naked eye chip."

I agree Barbara. I have even had to remind owners who were policemen that their pet dogs needed a collar/id when they were in a public place. Trevor Cooper, of Doglaw, said exactly what you said above - no one seems to get fined for the lack of an id tag/collar so they're pretty unlikely to police microchips or the absence of. He also said that having a microchip doesn't prove ownership of the dog, it proves who owns the microchip. I'd have to dig my notes out to see what the upshot of that would be if you were trying to claim your dog back. Having said that, all mine have microchips (belt and braces approach).

The new law is a mess.it may help a few cases and u have got all mine chipped but as Trevor Cooper inferred I suppose it doesn't really do the job it's supposed to and a tag is the simplest and quickest way of I'd if it hasn't come off

I have just got surnam and phone number on pointers tags did not niw adress had to go on to
this just sounds like hunting ban the law says one thing put people do their own sounds unworkable just like stupid hunting ban

I think you can use postcode and house number rather than full address

> Zoos chip smallest monkeys ie marmosts and also meercats and mongooses

They may well do, and even if they chip mosquitos it is my prerogative to do what I desire with my own animals.  It's a free country isn't it?
Or is it?

> I have a suspicion that, like the old Dog Licence in the past, this Law will be ignored by the very people who SHOULD be 'chipping their dogs.

Years ago I remember my then mother in law laughing at me because I renewed each dogs license and had one for every dog.  She owned one dog, had never bought a license in her life, and didn't know anyone except me who
had licenses.

Sigh,,,,

> My husband is a trained microchip implanter and a Vet can give an exemption certificate for pups to be chipped later by a set datee, but they must be chipped before sale.

Thanks for that information Barbara.

It was on gmb this morning was rushing to get ready but heard their is going to be new data base for chipped dogs etc beatful collie pup been chiped on it

There are already too many dataBASES, FIRST THERE WAS JSUT ONE PETLOG, TEHN THAT WAS OPENED UP FOR COMPETITOON.

Yes, there needs to be one central database.  Ok if the individual companies still want theirs, but they should be required to register every single chip on the central one as well, and only scanners that can pick up every chip should be legal.  Along with compulsory scanning, and reporting of non-chipped dogs.

So, so much wrong with the system at the moment.

and the various databases crashed last night so registration was tricky . someone was on nights sorting that mess out no doubt

I have a couple of friends who are implanters. One has had a number of people who, when told that she will need to scan their dog first to check for any existing microchip, have decided not to have their dog chipped by her. It seems that some do not want to know if their dog could be reported lost or stolen.... Another has already found 2 dogs with chips, one of which was reunited with it's original owner.
From talking to my vet receptionist it appears that if a vet finds a dog that is already chipped they won't do anything about it!! Although I noticed that my practice have the old, wand type scanners and not the Halo ones that show if a dog is logged as lost/stolen, so they would have to contact the chip companies direct to check any dog with an existing chip, so too much bother..

Its a mess and the authorities are just turning a blind eye and ploughing on regardless

I wonder how many of the people who "aren't breeders" as they are letting their bitch have one litter before she's spayed, realise that they need to have the whole litter chipped before they go to their new homes???

and my friend , she had a pup back and wants to transfer the chip over but first owner hadn't passed on the paperwork, who contacted Pettrac as pup has Avid chip, was told they couldn't' help her a they were busy getting the new system up!!!

Why the last minute, surely the background work should have been done over the last year, so that the new format was rolled out smoothly.

> I wonder how many of the people who "aren't breeders" as they are letting their bitch have one litter before she's spayed, realise that they need to have the whole litter chipped before they go to their new homes???

None and what will happen new owners will turn up at Vets with unchipped pups, and as Vets have already said they are not going to Police it, no-one will know who bred the puppy, or if the new owners gives details they won't be reported.

Like a lot of  laws it will apply to the law abiding citizens and the others wont bother . I bet in a years time the statistics released will have shown how goo dit was anyway. I wonder what else the data bases will be used for in the future. Maybe mandatory vaccination s? just a thought

> I bet in a years time the statistics released will have shown how goo dit was anyway.

iT'S been law in Northern Ireland for some years, yet I can't find any statistics for rate of compliance, but it hasn't; increased the rate of reunification of stray dogs.

I recently (about a fortnight ago or so) got both my dogs chipped to comply with the new law and was furious to discover that if I want to change anything on the database that I will have to pay another £16 to do so, each.
  Frankly I think that this whole law completely pointless without some kind of co-ordination, my first thought upon seeing that extra charge for changing chip details was that the companies themselves are probably making compliance from exactly the people the law was intended to target less likely.
  If you COULD somehow persuade them to chip their dogs, they certainly won't pay £16 extra to change the details if the dog changes hands, or they move house.

Failing to scan isn't a new thing.
Many years ago when I volunteered in rescue, dogs were collected from ounds many miles away weekly.
All the dogs bought in were vet checked and scanned, sometimes a chip was found and owners contacted,
dogs had reported missing !!!!
This meant they had to spend a week in the kennels before being taken back to be reunited, unless the owner
could come and collect them.
Obviously this took a much needed space for a homeless dog

> I recently (about a fortnight ago or so) got both my dogs chipped to comply with the new law and was furious to discover that if I want to change anything on the database that I will have to pay another £16 to do so, each.

I couldn't agree more - I was really annoyed when I read that on the paperwork that came with the first of our two that I had 'chipped.     But it is only a one off charge I think?

Incidentally it's over 10 days now since I had our second hound done, and still only have a sticky to put on her shot card, with her number.   Anybody know how long I'd have to wait for the rest of the paperwork to arrive?

When I had my litter chipped last year only half have had paperwork and I'm one of then who hasn't. Chased petlog but couldn't get through so contacted chipper. She's confirmed all registered and re requested paperwork as well.

I'm the same with my dog. Sent all the paperwork off that I had from the breeder, but never got anything back. She is on the database.

I waited 2 weeks for my horses chip paperwork to come throw when it came throw they had him down as colt he was gelding it was going to cost lot to change it

If your email was input when the chip was registered, you should have had an e mail from Petlog giving you the chip no & your dogs Petlog ID no by now

I sent the form off by post Tommee