Hi just clicked on daily mail on line
Its headline news about Gsd at crufts heads up to champ dog people thats in on daily mail on line now
sorry but do not now how to link it
sorry

Gave up reading comments after seeing suggestions like "Ban the sales of all dogs" and "Ban Crufts".

agree goldmali its getting ridiculous now. Just hope those that can will take this more seriously than in the past. The breed needs sorting out

Yes its getting really bad now
thats why i gave heads up about artical

Gsd owner just done story in daily mail saying her  dog healthy and nothing wrong with it

Apparently on a Facebook page it's been said the sun is planning to do one as well but want to include 'other breeds showing have messed up'.

Looks like everyone is going to get tarred with the same brush.

I do feel sorry for the owner though having all those commitments aimed at her and her dog, Bit the breeders need a wake up call as the breed has problems that needs sorting. But will the KC realy do anything? Someone on a page I'm on was saying the German show type is the more popular and if the kc tries to make them change they will just set up their own thing which will lose the KC money.

I've seen calls to split the two types Into diffrent breeds but don't think that is a good idea, the KC need to make sure judge's judge to the word of the standard. I'd rather see them merged  back into one type again rather than splitting. No gsd that isn't straight between the withers and croup should be considered to have the correct topline.

O god more fodder for tree hugers and anti crufts huggers

> the KC need to make sure judge's judge to the word of the standard.

In my naivety it's this I don't understand, surely if judges are not doing so then they need to be withdrawn or made to stand down.

Its same in heavy horse showing
we had judge in young handlers final he judged horses not handlers the chs presudint and stewards had to pull judge to side and say judge handlers not horses this happend many years ago at royal highland show scotland prem show. Other handlers and i were heart broken all work training we had done for judge to judge horses not us

really hope press leaves gsh owner alone its not her fault yes in way but its judge vet et etc
the press are evil.sods they do not take no for answer stick lens up ur nose when you say no and f off

> In my naivety it's this I don't understand, surely if judges are not doing so then they need to be withdrawn or made to stand down.

Judgng is subjective so what one judge sees as okay another doesn't.   Fact is however, by the time a judge is invited to do Crufts, they are often in their dotage (should have gone to Specsavers) and at the end of a long day judging a lot of dogs, may well lose the plot.   I'd bet that GSD judge is cringing - especially if he looks at his BOB judging video that I've watched.   To say nothing of what we saw of the dog in the Group - which was shown even if not at the time - it was played afterwards when Clare B, Jessica etc. commented on what happened.

I'd lay odds that judge won't ever be asked to judge again!   He has done a breed already on the 'at risk' list, no favours.   And what about the VET who should have examined each BOB on the 'at risk' list before letting them to forward to Group judging.

No mentioned of whether the bitch was in season or not - anybody?    If she was, and it sure looked like that to me - that would explain her behaviour at least, running round ahead of a male who was clearly showing that he knew her condition.   He was barking the whole way round and in the up and down together, clearly trying to get at her.    Ghastly.   And so traumatic for that bitch.   Banana back or not.

"really hope press leaves gsh owner alone its not her fault "     For me, IF the bitch was in season, alone, it WAS her fault for sending the dog to Crufts in that condition.   If only from a risk of infection viewpoint.

I think people need to concentrate on the judging - it's not fair to slate one single dog and owner, yes the owner should not be breeding dogs who (in many people's opinion) are not right, but there are loads of people doing it - it's the judges and the vet that should be getting most of the blame. If dogs looking so unbalanced were excused from the ring instead of winning, people would soon stop breeding them!

The GSD League of GB has issued a statement saying the dog has correct type etc. http://www.gsdleague.co.uk/

Then I'd say they need warning or even disbanding. If the secretary of the KC and thousands of people from general public, showing, other GSD people and vets all say it is not correct type, then they need to look again at that type!

The league supports that type of Germanic type of dog so they are going to say it is correct, the judge at crufts has that type the extreme Germanic style

This puts me in mind of an enquiry I made of a breeder for a GSD puppy - some years ago now.   I picked a name out of a 'hat', asked for a reference to somebody producing 'the old English type' (ie not with a roached/banana back) but very soon realise I was talking to somebody who was well into German-tpe GSDs.  He was very scathing as a result of which I took this enquiry no further. 

I hope, in view of what the response from The GSD League of GB apparently is, this doesn't mean there is no willingness on the part of many GSD breeders to at least stop producing cripples!   It's one thing to favour the extreme banana back, but I suggest, quite another to support what was seen in the BOB and Group rings at Crufts this year.

> Gsd owner just done story in daily mail saying her  dog healthy and nothing wrong with it

There's none so blind as those who just won't see.

Apparently the owners are having a litter in the summer with the poor bitch. I wonder if people will still buy the pups now with all the publicity surrounding it.

If that is true...it almost is certain she is in season now....

> If that is true...it almost is certain she is in season now....

My maths isn't great but even I went there!!!

> The GSD League of GB has issued a statement saying the dog has correct type etc. <img alt="" title="roll" src="/images/epx.png" class="fsm fsm_roll" /> http://www.gsdleague.co.uk/

I've just read through what their statement says, coupled with what the handler had to say.    ARE THEY ALL BLIND?    That bitch wasn't moving right in the BOB judging.   And was even worse when in the Group ring.   She was stressed for sure - does that show a correct GDS temperament?   Regardless of her hip scores which are not that great imvho, she is going to pass that one, coupled with a temperament that would suggest isn't sound too.   Sorry, but in the GSD entry, surely there was a more worthy winner (and she's not a Champion yet!).   'She has correct type' - but what about MOVEMENT!!    Nobody can deny what the video clearly showed - can they?

Ok this may offend people but does giving judges bribs happen in dog world ???
Surley the judge and vet were not that blind to put lame dog throw for group and bob
i am wondering if their been bribs or money changing hands
as it does happen in farriery and heavy horses

a non dog person would even of not put lame dog bob etc
sorry if my comments have upset or ofened anyone

its things like this that give dog fancy a very bad name. The shepherd is copping most of the flak but to be honest thats a bit unfair as there were a number of other shockers being displayed- she was not the only one giving a very poor appearance, nor the shepherd the only breed that has a lot of things offensively exaggerated to normal dog owning public.   A dogs primary purpose in this modern day and age is to be a pet=and to be a pet it must have sound temperament and sound health. if they lack those 2 virtues no amount of handsome looks make up for the deficiency.

Re 'bribes', the cynic in me says of course, but probaby not in terms of cash.   When you have a system with a majority of breeder- judges, you are, regardless of protests to the opposite, bound to have judges who adopt a 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' attitude.   In other words, put up friends!   Nobody would bother going under a judge who doesn't like the type of animal you have however - not with showing costing so much these days ... other than maybe Crufts because it's such a prestigeous show.   I do remain suspicious when judges put in a dog from overseas - lining up an overseas judging assignment?   Perhaps?

I stood with my Ch. bitch in the Challenge at one show, to hear the judge award the BCC to an exhibitor/exhibit I'd beaten more than been beaten by with my bitch.   As she handed out the award I heard her say 'that's to make up for not winning at **** (a show I had taken the CC at!).   Boy did I fizz at that.  Another judge for my little black book.

I tend to prefer a system that doesn't have quite so many breeder-judges, even if that should mean faults known to be in the breed at the time, aren't rewarded.   In Canada the majority of judges had been professional handlers - but that still meant they were more likely to put up exhibits being professionally handled, and not owner-handled!   Face-judging is probably inevitable to some extent.

My papa is well known farrier/judge/teacher/competitor
he use to teach lot one of people he was teaching also had heavy horses i had just started showing heavys
the person family member phoned one night and said if my papa made sure that person he taught did well then they would make sure i did well my gran told person in un certain terms where to go after that person that he taught never spoken to my papa again

it happens lot in horses .judges stay at exbitior houses night before shows etc etc also if you are friends of certiom heavy horse guy you win if not do not bother going as you wont be looked at i got so sick of it old boys hand shaks and crooked ways

one of my friends had said few times certain pointer judges only go for big orange in white and they wont place livers or blacks