Just wondering - when do you tell people that there are endorsements on your puppies? 

Do you do this at point of enquiry?  Or when puppies are born and you are letting someone know there is one for them?  Or later? 

Thx

I do this at the initial enquiry--I send all the details in an email, including the circumstances in which I will lift them. That way the potential buyer is not under any misapprehension and is not disappointed later on.

My adverts all said 'fully endorsed'.   And certainly I'd tell any prospective purchaser on the initial enquiry.  But it would depend on who the enquiry is coming from - unknown pet home, or a fellow breeder/exhibitor.

I tell people when they make their first contact with me.

Great thanks...

Sorry, another endorsement-related question... If I have a puppy going to Europe, should I still put on the 'Not Eligible for Issue of an Export Pedigree' endorsement??  I can't remember what the conclusion was on this one, the last time we discussed it!

If a puppy has an export pedigree, then you cannot put on breeding endorsements. A dog does not need an export pedigree if it's just going abroad as a pet, the export pedigree allows it to be registered with the foreign KC - then it would be eligible for shows and/or breeding.

If in doubt put on both. Takes a day to lift them.

You won'[t know which pup is going where so you endorse the whole litter and lift if and when appropriate, which in the case of the one I keep is before I come to register their own litter LOL

Thanks Brainless, so I'll endorse all with both endorsements when I register them, and then when the new owners collect the puppy, I'll write to the KC and ask for just the 'Not Eligible for Export Pedigree' endorsement to be lifted and keep the 'Progeny Not Eligible for Registration' endorsement (just in case the foreign KC will recognise that one)?

As said and from personal experience, put ALL the endorsements you can on all the puppies in the litter.  It is easy to lift the endorsements, if necessary.   The not for export endorsement only means the dog can't be registered in the country he is then living in which means any progeny can't be registered in that country, and the dog can't be shown under local KC rules.   It doesn't stop a dog from going abroad.

ps   You'd need to check re progeny born overseas from the dog, being able to be registered in the new country, despite there being a not for breeding endorsement.   Generally speaking foreign KC's don't observe endorsements put on by another Kennel Club.   In other words, once you lift the not for export endorsements, an Export Pedigree can be issued, which would probably open the door to his offspring being able to be registered abroad.

Great thanks.  All v confusing(!), this.

Sorry if I've contributed to the 'confusion'.   Bottom line.  If you don't want the dog to be bred from, here or overseas, don't lift any of the endorsements.   But the buyers will need to be told, obviously.   If this is just a pet puppy, it shouldn't make any difference to whether they buy the puppy or not.

I would just say I sold two puppies here to a fellow-breeder without any endorsments, because basically at the time, I trusted her.   Turns out this was misplaced as she later sold both to another breeder overseas who was able to register them in her country, and proceeded to take FIVE litters from the bitch and he was used a lot at stud.    Not bad for him - terrible for her, even if her litters after the first, were small.   They were still pregnancies.   I finally managed to persuade her to stop all that (probably would have by then in any case) and she went to a retirement home - those people kept in touch with me which was somewhat of a comfort in a situation I BITTERLY regretted.   Two lessons learnt - first not to sell to a fellow-breeder.   And secondly FULLY ENDORSE.

I tell people when they come to meet me and mum. To be before pups are born. I endorse all pups and just wrote an email to lift endorsements on the ones exported. Don't think any other KC recognise or keep the not for breeding one so bit pointless if you allow for export Pedigree. .. I lift both on any puppy exported as have to trust the person pup goes to, trust them to care for the pup and trust their decisions on whether the dog is of quality to be bred from...