Not me! Asking for someone else.

A lady I know has had a litter of small breed pups. As far as I know, mum was wormed in the last stages of pregnancy but post 50 days as scanner had assured her that the bitch had missed.

Anyway, she had a litter of 3 and they are 2 days younger than my lot.   She wanted to worm hers at 3,5,7 and 9 weeks. One of her pups seems to have passed a worm. She said it was yellow, string - like,  approximately  4 cm long and dead. She is now freaked out as the little pup had passed the stool but it was dangling behind him as the worm was half in/out. She helped by slowly pulling it out. Pup is fine, happy, eating, stools mainly firm. Apparently since worming all the puppy's stools have a tiny amount of mucus. She too is using panache.

Is there anything else she needs to do and how will she know the pups are clear? I told her to re worm mum or they will pass back and forth. I think she's  freaking out because she's  4 months pregnant. Any advice?

Any advice?

Get to the vet!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole idea of worming is to get rid of any... that's just what this puppy has done. She should worm Mum at the same time Yes. and keep worming the pups at 2 week intervals. It sounds like a roundworm to me and the mucus is probably just a side effect of the worming. As long as the puppy is well and fedin OK and it does not become diarrhoea then she should have no worries.
If she is careful and washes her hands after handling pups there is no reason why it should be a problem.
If she is concerned then a call to the vet should put her mind at ease.
Aileen

Totally agree, any larva passed onto pups in utero will be reaching maturity and this is evidence of one being passed dead after worming.

Usually with Panacur it is rare to see any worms passed if they are destroyed at earlier stages as they are dissolved.

This shows why doing the pregnancy dosing is so useful as it prevents the pups ending up with adult worm burden by 98%  (in this case the later start to pregnancy dosing will have allowed more to pass to pups, which then were able to mature) .

The norm is to worm puppies from 2 weeks, and then every 2 weeks to the time they go home, using a gentle worming syrup.   And mum needs to be wormed at the first puppy dosing, using a normal adult wormer as she will be infested by any the puppies passed in their stools while cleaning up after them.   I have always done this, plus worming my bitch before being mated, and recommended the new owners, who go armed with a complete worming history to show their vets, to get their puppy wormed again at around 3 months.   They might of course, have a fecal done first, so they know what needs treating.

I only once saw worms from a puppy - it was our first litter (and I didn't pre-worm mum!).   He was the only one of two only in the 'litter' to survive, and me thinks probably copped all the worms that were around.   I couldn't look at spaghetti for years after seeing what came out of him, poor wee mite.   I never saw worms again in our litters, but the buy in we now have, who came to us at 4 months, said to have been wormed, started producing live roundworms and as his stools were far from right, I had a fecal done which showed up roundworm ova, and GIARDIA.  And he came from somebody in the breed I'd known since I started!   Reputable breeders eh.

Note, the 'gentle worming syrup' usually only works for roundworms,  but I'd not expect any of mine to be harbouring anything other than roundworms as babies.

"I told her to re worm mum or they will pass back and forth"    Unless mum has a bowel movement in the whelping box, worms shouldn't 'pass back and forth', just from puppies to mum.

Thanks guys.

I called her this morning. She seems to have calmed down a little.

She said she used panacur for mum and still has some so will worm her again. Apparently pups all seem fine. She has checked any other stools passed and hasn't  seen anything further although she will keep checking. I think she is saddened more than anything else. This is her first litter and she was trying to do everything right. Having wormed mum prior to mating, I assume she was going to stick to her normal regime when she was told mum had missed. Then when she suddenly bloomed, I recommended  my scanner who confirmed a small litter. So she was caught on the back foot.

I think she wanted to go by 3, 5 and 7 weeks so that pups were less distressed when homed at 8 weeks. Who knows?

I saw the pups 4 days ago and none seemed pot bellied, lethargic, unwell so couldn't  advise as not quite 'textbook'.

Will keep both sides posted. Thanks.

Right! I popped round and checked poo

All was formed neatly, a bit pongy and yellowy brown. I couldn't see any whole worms. Apart from keeping up to the worming schedule, need she do anything else? She wormed mum and she has also wormed the other dogs in the house too just in case. Pups looked bright eyed and bushy tailed.

Any idea as when they'll be in the clear as I don't feel they had a particularly large burden and I think she's looking for peace of mind.

The worms take around 3 weeks to become adult so if wormed at 2 - 3 week intervals adult worms are not going to be present.

Pups should be wormed monthly to 6 months (I wonder how many actually are wormed more than at the breeder and when final vaccinations are done?).

Roundworms are linked to the reproductive cycles and are going to be found primarily in pregnant and lactating bitches and puppies.  rarely in adult dogs unless mixing with the former and contaminate4d ground fouled by them, which is why adults need worming less often for roundworm, and actually if their stools were tested probably less often than advised..

Although I don't think her dogs eat poo or lick each other's bottoms etc, she did worm them all with the remaining panacur. Although I did make sure she wormed mum in the main. Hopefully she will calm down now. I think she freaked out more due to her own pregnancy.

I told her aboutnthe forum, hopefully she'll join :)