I know I shouldn't but during a bored moment I have just gone into Preloved for a nose at what ridiculous dogs are for sale. Amongst all the usual over priced doodles this caught my eye.
For sale Cream Sable Pomeranian bitch, Crufts qualified for 2016 , but we cannot go and have no handler. The ad also states that the current owner hasn't bred for a while and photos of show groomed dogs are relations of this bitch.
Asking price? £2900. Eek

I have seen prices like that in the breed for good show dogs and actually higher.however when i have seen them they have been from those heavily into the breed and showing not circumstance like this.sounds. a but odd too me. Sound like someone who is suddenly thinking they have a way to get money . imo a dog should be a pet first not a means for.money.also if theu are in showing and the dog is good why advertise like this surely u woudl be going through the breed club and originally breeder not a site like this

I like Pomeranians and I've harboured half a thought that I might have one when I'm in my dotage. Not at that price methinks!

For some reason show type Pomeranian do fetch very high prices, believe it or not that price is quite reasonable!!!

Some years ago I considered having one and was quoted £4000 for a show puppy, I couldn't help but express my shock at the price, and was told it was justified because it had cost her £8000 to import the sire of the puppy and she needed to recoup some of her money!!

I declined and never did get one, but this breeder regularly has puppies advertised at £4/5000.

Just want to say this is not the breeder that I recommended to another poster recently, although I did wonder if that person was aware of the prices she would expect to pay. There are lots for sale around £800/1000 but they are the ones that bear little resemblance to their breed.

I agree sedona that what  I have seen too.  Think we recommended  the same breeder and I was wondering if they realised how much a show pom is. It's seems to be a tricky breed to get into for the average person an d if u research it becomes obvious thee are a lot of things to learn not to get caught out

I agree that this seems a normal price for a show Pom. What I found fascinating when looking into the breed was the fact that good breeders will sell their puppies for £500 less if you aren't interested in the KC papers!! I was also surprised at how cheap stud fees were in relation to the cost of a pup. £250 for a Ch. stud dog.

I have been told.that this breed is almost a closed shop to get into showing .how true that is i do t know having not tried just interested in the breed generally  I guess selling like that certainly allows breeders to be  selective about what goes where and what dogs are shown .not sure what other breeds are like this becuase in what litle experience  I have but knowing many who show it doesn't seem common elsewhere

Total closed shop.

Link given to a pet person recently took them to pups costing £2000 or £2500 with KC registration.

They tend to have tiny litters 1 or 2 is the norm.

Would rather have 4 quality Flattie pups
If this is the case it seems even stranger to have to resort to preloved(how I hate that name), I would have thought people would be queuing up for 'proven show quality' at the bargain price of £2900

Exactly flattie mum. I also hate that website and its name but think it odd to be going this way to seel a apparently quality puo. Something smells odd . Btw don't think o could manage 4 flattie lol one at a time keeps my hands full.

Yes definitely said tongue in cheek, one Flattie pup at a time is more than enough when running riot with the adults in the house

Although the puppy advertised looks a reasonable specimen (compared to many pet bred ones) I doubt it would be of any interest to show people, as it is far too long in the muzzle.

They want the "baby doll" face type, and hate to say it but this one may have qualified for Crufts by coming 3rd out of 3 , and therefore not having beaten anything! It happens a lot in the less numeric breeds.

I completely agree with you flattiemum, I would rather have 4 of my own, I just couldn't justify that sort of money!

Neither could I on any breed. I like the spitz klein bit bigger and certainly at a price I would afford . Fun trainable little dogs .I think it's sad that there is this division between show poms and the ma  j  the street it must encourage poor breed g as the pom like other toy breeds has gained a certain cachet if ownership in certain circles.

I have seen crazy prices for my own breed, but when I query it, have been told that people put a big price on their dogs/puppies anticipating that they will have to reduce the price because people barter these days!!    Gone are the days of a fixed sensible price apparently.   I suppose there could be somebody stupid enough to part with £2,900 for a 'Crufts qualified' bitch.  Kerching comes to mind, assuming she's not spayed.

What times we are living in.

I suppose it must differ in breeds as I've never had anyone try to barter over the price, and if they did they would be straight of my list of potential owners!

> What I found fascinating when looking into the breed was the fact that good breeders will sell their puppies for £500 less if you aren't interested in the KC papers!! I was also surprised at how cheap stud fees were in relation to the cost of a pup. £250 for a Ch. stud dog.

The first possibly because with the 4 maximum KC registered litters rule they feel they can get another litter as the breed often have only 1 or two pups, ditto for the cost of a stud fee with C section rate high and only often one pup to sell, the rearing costs are so high.

As for getting a pup, many breeders will keep whatever they get as they can sell an adult as easily as a pup, and with low litter numbers easy to run everything on.

I'm sorry but I really disagree with prices of pups EVER getting into the £2000+ mark.

Who pays such a very high price for a show pup?  If you are lucky maybe one show breeder in the Uk maybe?...and if you breed and show dogs - wouldn't you know if anyone wanted your offspring and talk direct? Why on earth would you advertise for sale on preloved? or need to advertise at all?!

Anyone else would be buying the pup at those high prices purely as an investment with the full intention to make the money back on one or multiple litters.  If you want a good home for your pup first and foremost then the price will put off MANY pet owners and new showers... because, just like you have all said, who can afford, £3-4000 for a pup?!!..........and still afford to feed, insure, vaccinate, and pay for training sessions etc............

I can see why the price of a show pup from a good breeding with great lines and huge potential would certainly justify an increase from the average pet pup price especially in breeds which produce small litters etc.  And, I am sure in rarer breeds with numerically small numbers the price could escalate significantly - though I would think / hope trying to increase the numbers,save the breed from dying out and increase its popularity is never going to be something helped with astronomic prices..  personally when I see breeders charging astronomic prices I automatically think they are bad breeders only interested in cash and steer well clear - though I am sure this is not often true; it is still my gut reaction - afterall the only other breeders that charge high rates are the designer cross money grabbing breeders who charge thousands for a crossbreed/mongrel cashing in on its current popularity on the heels of, and helped along by, the pedigree dogs expose.

Breeders should choose their owners by everything except the depth of their pockets.