hi
that labour idiot leader speaking so much poo thats labour for you
if that idiot got his way he would be inviting the terriost for tea and hugs
and letting the terriots get away with terriost attacks also he dresses like his outfits are from charity shop
i am not fan of labour since they banned hunting
some thing has to be done about terriost if labour got their way it would be tea and cake parties with isis
yes bombing would help and sending ground troops in

So you think bombing Syria will help stop terrorist attacks? I disagree.

We've destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan and the world is not safer. I think killing innocent people creates more terrorists.

Imagine a Syrian family, like any family over here, working, playing with the kids, doing normal family things. We go to war with Syria and this family has it's world torn apart, infrastructure will be destroyed as it was in Iraq, they will have no electricity, no water, sewage backing up and disease rife. No jobs because normal companies cease to operate. Food becomes more expensive because of supply problems and with no work they cannot afford food. Maybe they try to leave, maybe the family get bombed and only the husband/father survives. Wouldn't it be understandable if he became a terrorist and sought revenge against those who ruined his country and tore his family apart? That is the reality of war.

I cried for the victims of the Paris atrocities and I will cry for the innocent victims in Syria too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a complete pacifist, I believe that those who do wrong deserve to pay for that. I say send in special forces, small targeted groups, target just the terrorists training camps with hand to hand combat. It's been proven time and again, like with the Medicine San Frontier hospital being bombed, that smart bombing is not that smart. Who are we to complain about innocent civilians being killed and then do the same ourselves, what makes a Syrian life worth less than a French life?

Agree with you there Chaumsong, things have definitely got worse since Blair and his chums bombed Iraq. The Arabic world thinks in a completely different way then us westeners and trying to make them change won't work. ISIL are a nasty bunch of thugs, but trying to bomb them and killing innocent people at the same time is not going to win us any friends.

i do  feel for familys in sirya but we can not let terriosts away with killing people they were talking about cutting supply of oil to terriots
their has been 5 to 6 terriots atacks this year and hundreds lives lost
will be intresings to find out vote tonite at 10pm

my uncle has fought in falklands .both gulf wars and boisna
yes its been worse since wars but thats labour idiots for you
but something has to be done about terriots

> we can not let terriosts away with killing people

I agree, but surely we cannot justify killing innocent people either. We killed far more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein did, we (USA, UK etc) killed 500, 000 innocent iraqi civilians. 500,000 normal, everyday, innocent people dead, mothers, grandfathers, children, doctors, novelists, families. Just take a moment to consider that number! What right do we have to kill so many in response to the deaths of a few?

So, should we do the same in Syria? NO!

> ISIL are a nasty bunch of thugs, but trying to bomb them and killing innocent people at the same time is not going to win us any friends.

I agree absolutely, I'm afraid that these heavy handed tactics merely turn more moderate people against us, we create more terrorists.

> yes its been worse since wars

so you agree, bombing and going to war with Syria will only make things worse

yes i do agree its wrong
but that labour leader iodot talks so much crap

just read on daily mail on line thats been been more arrests today in london for having terriost and bomb info

Excellent response Chaumsong. Nobody stops to think about how to put the country back together afterwards either.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Falklands a Tory event?

It's a highly charged debate. Terrorists  have no qualms about detonating bombs in public areas against innocent people. They shed no tears or thoughts for their victims or for the families affec5ed. War has always had casualties both innocent bystanders and guilty parties. Usually those in high places make decisions that can be a disaster  or triumph. Look at WW1 all those young men mowed  down in their prime and for what? A few hundred yards over many bloodthirsty years. We fought for freedom and for peace . Religious wars have always occurred  and nothing has been solved or gained over the centuries.

When terror strikes in public places and targeted to cause mayhem and destroy it's a very sorry world. We have to yes rethink strategies and some hard decisions have to be made. The terrorists hide in mountains,villages and also yes amongst us how do we target this? Planned aimed targets at locations dictated by our government  is one way forward however even with this some innocent lives may be lost. War is not friendly,it doesn't just target bad people. We have to acknowledge  if we send fighter pilots  there will be casualties. We, in the west have to make a stand and act to stop these atrocities with a combined European tactic. I'd rather see border controls back,flights can to Syria bar cargo planes. We may stop some young people having been radicalised from travelling. 

Regarding the Falklands  we acted for the islanders who wanted to stay with the UK should we have abandoned them? I wasn't able to vote then about action but I would have supported Thatcher's decisions.

Syria has a huge problem and there is no easy answer to solve this. The West has been targeted again and again. How many more lives should be lost before we take action against this?

Is groveclydpoint a genuine person or a wind-up?  I don't know how someone can keep going with the pretence of bad spelling and grammar let alone be rude about people?  We all make some mistakes at some point but .....

yes i am genuine person
i have bad athrists in my hands and have probs typing
that was very rude to say that about me as i have said many times i am disabled !!!!!
i guess the bulling starts on her

I've noticed a pattern...those who are gungho about bombing Syrians are often the ones who have little sympathy for those poor terrified souls fleeing those war torn places .....for the sanctuary of Europe.

This is real life...not a video game.

o posted this issue for people veiws
not to made fun and discramited against for been disabled
i left horse forums due to bulling and will not be bullied and called names i will not be posting agaim and leaving champ dogs
i am most genumin person

A forum is a place for a debate to hear and respond to each other's views in a civil manner. If we start to have a "written" bash against people's spelling, grammar,name etc are we not ourselves bullies? Are we not swopping violence for words of disharmony? This is how a lot of wars/conflicts have begun by words simple words.

The OP gave a view about the current political envoirament and members started to respond without it getting personal. Can we not discuss views/comments here without a nasty spat?

Come on we are all grown ups and let's discuss the topic

Ikj you didn't half score a bit of an own goal there...prepare for the backllash!!!

I really don't think that this is the place to bring up such a debate on a dog forum. Pitics like this will have very strong views on many sides and always a great place for an argument and accusations of bullying, xenophobia and racism. Think this thread should be closed personally

As an ex military personnel who has seen terrorists in action close up & very personal, I cannot support the "targeted missile"action being debated, too many innocent civilians will get killed & injured by the action. The terrorists will be glorying in the deaths they have caused & no doubt take further action in retaliation.
"When will we ever learn" to quote the folk song

As for critizing Mr Corben mode of dress,perhaps he does get his clothes from a charity shop, better than spending £1,000s on Saville Row suits

Point taken re debate on dog forum however it is in the anything else thread. We will all have strong opinions,views and feelings about this and any other sensitive topic ie animal testing,abortion,euthanasia  etc. The freedom of our society here is we can discuss and debate this unfortunately  other people are not as lucky. I'm all for a debate for and against I just dislike it getting personal.

I thought that Hilary Benns speech last night was marvellous, would have been very interesting if his father was still around to sit in on a debate with them both.

Without getting into the topic too deeply I must say that to hear certain politicians and others say that bombing Syria will kill many innocent people...well, that's war for you I'm afraid but what about the innocent people in Paris...let's not forget them too...innocent.

Annee

I agree his speech would have made his father proud. I have found thou that question time in Parliament  has sounded better! Less like a playground and the beginnings of civilised  discussions.

Hilary Benn - possible future PM?

Could be a possible next Labour leader before next election. I'm a fan of Boris too he does get things done and doesn't stand on ceremony either. I used to rather like the personalities  of former MP's , Harold Wilson,Denis Healey, Norman Tebbit,David Steel, Neil Kinnock,Margaret  Thatcher, Churchill all seemed to have character. The newer mp's all seem to be of the same mould.

Boris is an amoral fool, god help us if he ever becomes PM. :-(

I've not read all the answers here, but fwiw, I'd only have supported this bombing had the Syrian leaders asked for UK help.   Otherwise we are just 'invading' another country and chasing shadows at that.   Unlike the days of bin Laden, IS has no leader (does it?) and even if we wipe out one section of these thugs, there will be others, especially as I don't see an 'end game' - just as with Iraq.   And that's what has caused all this in the first place.    A black hole into which rats have poured.   And they are now infiltrating Afghanistan/Pakistan too, moving in, settling, and targetting the disenchanted in those countries who are now joining them.  This is a virus and we all know how hard/impossible it is to 'cure' viruses.    They can't be.  

The answer isn't in bombing.   It's way more fundimental than that.

IMHO

".......but wasn't the Falklands a Tory event"    No.  Not only was that situation quite different (Argentina trying to take back what they feel is their's when those on the Falklands are BRITISH).   The only thing Tory about that was Maggie Thatcher happened to be PM.

i can not pass coment on falklands as i was very young child  but do remmber my uncle n visting before he was deployed to falklands i got stuck in duvet cover playing and uncle n rescued me

its bit frighting and worrying to her about stabbing in london underground last night.hope this is not start of atacks on uk now we are part of air strikes.their was articil in daily mail from terriost expert saying that uk will be target for terrist atacks in coming weeks
tomme its honer to speak to well over internet .to ex miliitry person i have high respect for ex militry
my uncle n was in royal enginers bomb disposal.he left army and no running bomb dispol company

> I must say that to hear certain politicians and others say that bombing Syria will kill many innocent people...well, that's war for you I'm afraid but what about the innocent people in Paris...let's not forget them too...innocent.

Well yes, but we were all horrified by the killing of innocent people in Paris - why should we not be horrified by the killing of innocent people in Syria?

Or are you saying that it was ok for the people to die in paris, because hey that's war for you?

You can't separate the two things - and say one lot of killings is terrorism and one lot of killings is justified war.

> its bit frighting and worrying to her about stabbing in london underground last night.hope this is not start of atacks on uk now we are part of air strikes.their was articil in daily mail from terriost expert saying that uk will be target for terrist atacks in coming weeks

You could say we've brought it upon ourselves

yes we have and how many more inicant people are going to be killed becuse of it

i am traveling by train tommoro well if trains are back on their is suposed to be more armed police in train stations will be intresting to.see if their is more armed police in glasgow and paisley stations
not sure if labour leader should be going to anti war rallies and partys
the other party leaders are not