My breeder says Chase has a thick coat but is a short hair they describe it as "plush" people are calling Chase long hair. Both parents are short hair Dad is a thick coat "plush" Mon is typical short hair.

He's just a quality coated- standard coat.
I had to wait for his ears to go up to properly tell....

standard coat and in beautiful condition. Their coats change completely from puppy to adult even in the longcoats

No idea about coat, just wanted to say I loved the montage of photos watching his ears change

gsd ears are wonderful. sometimes up, sometimes down ,one up, both up ,then down. its great fun watching it happen. Having had two I can remember the laughs we had

But y do people think he is long haired

no idea he is most definitely a standard and most likely a double coated standard  form the video which is correct for the breed . when very young they can sometimes look similar. his coat is slightly wavy at some points so perhaps that's what is suggesting long.

And people said since he had ear tufts he has to be long haired Chase's dad had them when he was young and he is a short haired just very thick and "Plush"

I will eat humble pie as having shown the video to my gsd breeder she says def long coat. defined by the ears and the waves on his current coat which is the adult coat coming through. If she is wrong I will have to eat more than the pie as  she is a very experienced breeder of both types of coat . sounds like there was lc someone in the background maybe why dad is such a thick coat. beautiful dog either way

Actually no there isn't and my breeder said he looks just like his dad when he was a puppy. And they have had a long haired before and they said Chase looks nothing the long haired. He just has a thick coat.

ok wait and see . cant think what else to say to help you he will be what he will be

A coat expert told me Chase is a German show line. And German show lines have thicker coats. And said Chase is a Stock coat (short hair) and has a thick coat. She saw the video too and said some German show lines with the thick coats have ear tufts as a puppy and are gone as a adult.

why ask then if you know the answer?

This may so weird but Chase's fur seems to be shortening and his adult fur that is coming is thick and course.

I want to confirm it since so many people disagree and they seem to want to do anything to convince me what my dog is not. I've been on several websites talking about Chase's coat. One person posted on one of my threads and the post really pissed me off here is what the person said "Every post is about the dogs coat. If no one replies, she should give up, live with her dog, be happy. However, I have a funny feeling if he is a long hair he will be shaved"
I would NEVER shave a long haired dog I'm not a big fan of long hair Gsds but if I ever got one I'd never shave it.

I can't see what difference it makes as long as you love him to bits. 

Many years ago I bought a puppy. The bitch had wins in the show ring and I think her junior warrant. Unfortunately she was in a road accident, breaking her leg, which meant she could no longer be shown as it affected her movement. In her first litter were two pups thought to be long coated and were sold as such but turned out to be good coated. My pup came from a later litter, looked similar, but his coat, although not very long, was too long for the show ring. I wanted him for obedience and fell in love not caring about his coat. The long coat came from many generations before as it is a recessive gene. All three of these has much fluffier coats than yours appears to have.

So you are saying Chase is not a long? I'm confused

I do love him but so many people think he is long haired or mixed because of how his coat lentgh I want help from people online to help me. Cause me, my family and my breeder know Chase isn't long haired

It could be a recessive gene from way back thay has produced a long coat but the only way u are really going to be sure is when he gets his full  adult coat whatever happens he will be what he is.i wouldconcern yourself more with his training in a positive  way amd keeping hin in good health amd enjoying your dog

It could be a recessive gene from way back thay has produced a long coat but the only way u are really going to be sure is when he gets his full  adult coat whatever happens he will be what he is.i wouldconcern yourself more with his training in a positive  way amd keeping hin in good health amd enjoying your dog

I would find it difficult to say, would need to see lots of him on the stand with good light on his coat to really see what is coming through.

He is in training classes and is very healthy according to my vet. And he may have all Adult fur by Christmas or early January he has I'd said 65-70% aldut fur. Mostly on his shoulders and back legs. Think his face will be last to change. But there is no question what his color is will be he is a black and Red. Breeder says he looks just like his dad. I agree the more adult fur he gets the more and more he looks like his dad.

My feeling is that this young dog is not a long coat. I'm not a GSD expert but it just looks like a correctly coated GSD to me. I am confusedas to why its important to hear so many peoples opinions though, because it just wouldn't matter to me. If you and the breeder are happy that he's short coated, never mind anyone else's opinion.

Why does it matter if he's long or short coated??

Are you going to rehome him if his coat doesn't turn out how you want it to??

Just looked at your video again and noticed hos collar
Is that a prong collar he is wearing or a fur saver

Just looked at your video again and noticed hos collar
Is that a prong collar he is wearing or a fur saver

As said, his coat type should become more obvious once he's fully mature.  I don't think he is typical 'longcoat' BUT the wave on his back could suggest there is longcoat in his background.   We get that wave in some of our Bassets and although they are NOT the occasionally seen 'longcoat' (not PBGVs etc.) which has a soft coat with feathering on ears, elbows, trousers etc. (pretty but wrong!) and fingers are always pointed at the Royal kennels at Sandringham which at one time had Clumbers and Bassets in there - and the Queen has been known to mix-breed!!

I agree mamabas. gsd coats can vary tremendously and it can be hard to define exactly with some of them. I have a long coats from long coat lines and there is no question he is lc. however if you look at other lc they can be a lot fluffier and thicker coated than whispa.

If the op is going to show he does need to be double coated and I make no commnet on comformation.In the uk longcoats are recognised getting them placed is still hard as judges prefer standard coats atm. I assume ( dangerous) that the akc is similar in this respect.
If the op isnt showing and he is a pet then it really doesn't matter the coat will be what it is and the adult coat will take months to be fully through. I think the apparent shortening of his puppy coat is actually his under coat coming through and the adult coat will be coarser texture

Prong collar

Why?

How sad.  Hate the things and imo amd also in the opinion of a lot of people in the uk they should be banned. Along with electric collars. Please rethink.he is young and keen good positive training without potential pain amd harm is the way forward. In Wales and I think now Scotland I belive both are banned now airing fpr the rest of the uk to follow suit.please rethink

If he's that good at obedience there is no need for one, actually there is never any reason for the use of them..

What a terrible shame!
Sadly your username is wrong.
My friend ( who I've learned about the breed from over 30+ years) has trained hers to the highest standard in obedience and trials, CDX UDX WDX PDX. All on a leather collar......she would be horrified to see this on a young dog.

As I'm sure you've noticed now most dog people hate these devices. I'm sure you didn't buy one knowing this but they are terribly cruel and completely unnecessary. Please fling it in the bin tomorrow and buy him either a normal collar or a martingale type, you can even use a head collar while you're training him if you're having problems with pulling?

Can you imagine if someone put such a device on your neck, so that every time you went to step towards something - maybe a piece of chocolate or some lovely flowers to smell the collar would tighten and pinch your flesh between the prongs. How painful would that be, and how confusing too - it would be difficult to completely trust the person inflicting such pain on you wouldn't it.

I think the op is in America and sadly along with other practices have found these unacceptable methods to be common place. I would like to think we may have made this young owner rethink and stand out from the crowd to look into snd use safe painless training methods for her lovely pup. Also in the video the pup appears to be wearing it while  playing also dangerous. Please rethink

I can only echo the comments re a prong collar.   Not that I condone their use period, there is certainly no need to use one on a young dog, or on a dog who SHOULD be comparatively easy to train.   Sad.

> there is certainly no need to use one on a young dog

No need for them on any dog ever. Worst case I can think of - say you rescued a really wild, unsocialised, untrained giant breed dog and you have limited time to walk him, so can't always do the 'be a tree, we're not moving till you stop pulling' because he does need exercise. What would you do? Get a prong collar? No, get a head collar with a harness as back up in case he gets out the head collar and only as an emergency a slip lead as backup for that.

> I am confusedas to why its important to hear so many peoples opinions though, because it just wouldn't matter to me. If you and the breeder are happy that he's short coated, never mind anyone else's opinion.

This is exactly what my first post was asking.  It's no good being like a terrier with a bone about the coat because however much the OP gets herself into a state over this, isn't going to change a thing.

Sad that the OP uses such cruel training methods. At least she could be prosecuted in the UK.

prosecuted for using prong collars ? can this be done in  England now I thought it was only wales and Scotland ? I have got into so many arguments with people about these collars and have accordingly left groups which wont  support them not being used its untrue.
I have even met people who claim that using these methods have saved there dogs from being pts for aggression. Problems waiting around the corner imo. In one case a x police dog trainer local to me who had a dog in his class using one and was expounding the virtues of the collar for helping the dog not to be reactive.

As far as I've read its shock collars that are banned in wales, not seen any mention of the any other types

Prong collars aren't banned anywhere in the UK, more's the pity.  Horrid things.

Thanks for.correcting me on that
However they do need to en along with ecollars in England

> prosecuted for using prong collars ? can this be done in  England now

If I knew someone using them in this country I would do my utmost to get them prosecuted under the Animal Welfare Act of 2006.  Covers all pets and I know 100% of one vet who was prosecuted successfully for docking in December 2005 so it's a pretty well known Act. The vet in question was reported by the BVA for docking a litter and was struck off.

So a case was brought before the Act was passed.  OK it's not a prong collar prosecution but cruelty is cruelty.  And I would chase a cruel owner like a terrier with a bone.

Understand your comments now jeansw

OK it's not a prong collar prosecution but cruelty is cruelty.

Well, that's the problem isn't it, it is not classed as cruel, but a training product.

I'm dead set against all of these pain related training techniques, trained 50+ dogs in my lifetime now and never needed to use pain or aggression even on the slow to learn and more stubborn dogs.

However all of my training has been with pups/young dogs. None need this kind of training ever IMO GSDlover425 please train without it, I don't blame you, these things are quite the norm in some parts of the world, but a pup never needs a tool like this, far better to use whistle or clicker training, try to find a trainer who uses these techniques instead.

Training an aggressive or highly reactive dog, or living with such a dog..... I can't really comment on as such, tbh a dog like that, reared with these behaviours I would rather pts,  wouldn't have the patience, G*d bless those who do, (months and years trying to re-train) a prong collar may make it think first, but does it really change a dogs character? Ticking time bomb IMO.

As for the coat, it will be a wait and see game until the adult coat comes in........tbf you would become curious and be impatient for answers if you had lots of people saying different things, even on here we can't agree and we've been around a bit.

The very last thing an agressive or reactive dog needs is a prong collar.  The LAST thing.  They are already stressed and on edge, they do not need pain added to the mix as well.  At best it will make them react harder and faster in a bid to scare the perceived threat away (or disable it, if close enough, before it can hurt them); at worst, it will suppress the external expression of their fear and stress until they are put too close to their triggers (the handler thinking they are fine because they are no longer showing their emotional state) and they panic and explode.  And all the while, the pain of that collar is being associated with the triggers.

Nope, it's all about patience, counterconditioning, desensitisation, managing the dog so they aren't put in a situation they feel they need to react in, and rewarding anything and everything that is not aggression or reaction.  No piece of equipment that causes pain or discomfort should be used - even the no-pull harnesses that tighten under the arms can be associated with triggers - I couldn't have old Soli on a harness for a good 6 months after I got her because she'd been on a no-pull, and wearing any harness after that made her much more aggressive to dogs as she was expecting pain whenever they appeared because it had always happened when she'd been freaking out before.

The OP hasn't replied since the prong collar was revealed..............