I'm sure we are all shocked by the news of the bomb and gun attacks in Paris. To all forum members in France, my  deepest condolences and expressions of solidarity. A sad day indeed.

Well said, Jan. Horrific events. My thoughts are with all in France.

waking up to horrifc news that their been yet another terror attack in paris what is this world coming to thats 2 terror attacks in paris.terror attack in beach .then plane been shot down over russia this year all ready
i wonder how safe we are in uk if we will be next
my heart goes out to people in paris horrible horrible terriosts

horrifc so sad my thoughts are with everyone effected
today xmas light swictch on and avends in paisley have been cancled and extra police and security are on streets

It's horrific. Trouble is people behind these attacks want publicity. I'm wondering if a blanket silence and not report would stop these attacks?

Yes, it's sad time in such a life loving, unique city.
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Very sad that innocent people can be murdered like this, but also very scary.
At times like this I am glad I live in the back of beyond

not sure i.am beging to wonder if the two wars in gulf were worth it it was suppised to.stop terror after 9-11
but their been so many terror attacks since my uncle founght in both gulf wars.biosna and ireland
really hope theirs not another war

It's a horrific waste of innocent lives. The leaders promoting suicide acts never volunteer themselves I wonder why!  Every era of History has had bloodthirsty battles and campaigns. Can we not just live side by side,respecting each others ways,not condoning each other's religion. To just enjoy life together is that so hard?

yes thats so true
my uncle saw some horrifc things in bosina he can not talk about becuse most of it invold children
and also his experinces in gulf to horrific really hope world leaders do not go to war their been so many deaths and badly injured due to terror atacks and wars

thats brition on high alert for terror attack more police and secuirty on streets
very frighting

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4FN6SWqb9A
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completely unbelievable depths of fantansy in that guy J Corbins head, he's just said on TV he's "not happy" with a police shoot to kill policy here, is he sooooo utterly stupid not to understand a wounded terrorist has time to detonate a suicide bomb - next thing we know he'll be sending 'them' Xmas cads saying lets be nice to each other next year guys.......hells bells he is godamn insane
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that man is b..... idoit sadly it has to bomb droped etc to try and kill the terroists but really hope it work and their no more wars but i think their will be a war
i am bit scared to go up to city as i was reading that the terriost idots say they act against the countrys that are bombing them
i see that french athorites has arriset more terrists to day

Sadly I can't help but think it is only time before London is hit.

yes and glasgow to very sadly .that was siyrin refuges  landed at glasgow airport to day you never now if a terrost could be with them
i live 20miles form glasgow i have canceld my appiotmants i had in city i am bit scared but their is more police and security in citys
i do not now why the refuges were sent to glasgow as their not enough jobs or housing for scotish people

I dont think it will be any surprise to many here, I was really pleased this eve as drove back into town and in the distance noticed Wembley stadiums arch brilliantly lit up in red white & blue, exhilarating.
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that was lovely support the english gave french tonite at football i watched 5min of game

thats bomb threat at german staduim yhe match and rock concert been evecuited and cancled
the news is reporting a ambulance filled with explosives was found outside german stadum
i am.really worried as my uncle is working in brussals he is in bomb expolives he stops bombs going off

sorry ment bomb disposin

While I understand people's anxiety, we have to understand that these Syrian refugee families are trying to escape from the same atrocities that were perpetrated in Paris, and worse. We must not condemn  people on the basis that some within their nation have espoused the  evil beliefs that allow them to destroy lives in this way. British citizens have seen fit to join IS. Like wise those of French/Belgium  citizenship.
I really don't want to get involved in political debate on this forum but we have to realise that what happened in Paris was the work of an evil minority who seek to impose their medieval barbarism on the rest of us. They are the enemy, not the Syrian families arriving in Scotland. Only by love and example can we hope to show these people that they can build new lives. Only by military force can we defeat IS. One day these families may wish to return to rebuild their country. They will remember our kindness.

Quite agree Jan. I am willing to take in a refugee child however a sole child needs to be placed into a home where someone can speak their language and in the Syrians case Arabic and I don't know one word of the language which isn't any help.
While what's been happening of late with the plane in Sharm, Beirut and Paris and with another scare in Germany this evening, yes it's worrying however I won't be changing my way of life or doing anythhbg differently other than being more vigilant.
It won't stop me travelling to places around the world(when I'm able to take another holiday). I really wanted to take a week out in the sun and Sharm was one of the destinations of choice, however with no current flights going out that won't be happening so back to the drawing board - sadly many of the Middle East destinations are mega expensive :-(

I understand yes re true refugees plight however we need to realise the minority  get through everywhere. We need to be vigilant and security checks need to be done on all. The innocent have nothing to hide and those hiding will be found hopefully. As tonight again an Ambulance packed with explosives causes chaos and disruption not the planned ending of lives
it expected to do. I'd rather have queues and wait to be processed  through airport's/ferry ports for my own and families safety. This will make me rethink next year's holidays.
I'd rather see secure border checks back in place.
For me all religious leaders should be condemning these attacks yet we have silence on some areas, why?

There was no bomb in Germany, a threat yes but no explosives found.
Terrorism is found all around the world and they don't need to be born in say Syria to be part of IS. The 7/7 bombings in London were committed by British men, born and raised here.

We do have border controls in the UK, unless you are a stow away on a ferry or a vehicle coming through the tunnel then it's very difficult to actually get into this country.
I can't imagine for one minute that with the high alert the UK has been on for years that checks aren't done when brining any refugees into the UK, they aren't just going to pluck the first people in line.
I really do think you are overthinking this. As for the religious leaders all of then condemning this, my god the amount within just England it would be a programme on all day long just to get every leader of every mosque, synagogue, church etc onto a TV programme and you'd need a paper just for that alone.
Locally around here a number have condemned it as have many many Muslims and have highlighted that the word Islam means peace.

just found out the refuges are been placed in north ayrshire where i am i.really hope they are genine and not terroists
their was police dog killed in paris this morning in raids
my uncle is back in uk so we are all relived he is ex army and been in wars and seen some awful things
but still involed in bomb disposing
security in paisley has been steped up so hopfelly glasgow steped up to
i am planing my first ever holiday for my 40th i have never had holiday i am planing to go to canada or alaska .security is very tight in canada

these Syrian refugee families are trying to escape from the same atrocities that were perpetrated in Paris

They are not all families, anyone who watched the masses entering the balkan countries would have noticed the vast majority were males without females.

It has now been established that one of the friday bombers at that stadium had come as a refugee from syria, the stadium bombers had tried to get so they could let their bombs off in the crowds but they were refused entry..........eh dear, tree & bunnie hugging has gone out of fashion, so what do we get in its place by some? of, oh, course, yes, it's hug a jehadi
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While I understand people's anxiety, we have to understand that these Syrian refugee

Isis declared war on the west, do you not even know that many, if not most, succesful battles use 'deception' as a highly succesful military tactic, ever heard of the horse of Troi? check out recent history and nazi panzer invasion through the ardennes in WW2, i dont even know whose writing that stuff above
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well said
that idoit labour leader against war and going to anti war xmas party his labour collages are in up roar
as i said in prevouse posts why send them to scotland as we have very high unemloyment and not enough homes for scotish people yes they need some where safe but it not their fault also as reported one on french bombers came in to franch with fake passport
passports and papers can be faked so could be bombers could be in refuges that have been sent to scotland
their is now warning in stv on line news to be xtra carfull in train stations in scotland and securty been steped up
i use trians lot as i do not have car
my uncl fought in both wars in golf and boisna the things he said and he finds it very hard to talk about things he seen becuse of what he seen due to terriosts ithe terror threat in scotland is now sever level

why send them to scotland as we have very high unemloyment and not enough homes for scotish

Thats the very first question came to my mind when they said they were sending them to Scotland, i could not & still cannot understand that, I dont know about houseing there but i do know it is high unemployment, does make me think in terms of gov can say ''We did something''.

I also object to the term 'refugees', they were accepted in  greece  but they left there to get work to get money.....that makes them economic migrants, NOT, people under threat of life or in danger as a result of the country they are in! and now we know at least one of those who claimed they were a 'refugee' was a jehadie and killed french people on a night out in Paris.
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i now single dad with two children he been on north ayrshire housing list for 3yrs he is one bedroom flat and badly needs bigger house or flat.the housing her is really bad.they would rather give a house with furnitre to drug and alcholic people than single parants that badly need housing a guy has moved in two door up to me he is drug dealer he got that house with free funiter form.council
i am on council list too i only have 75points i am disabled
my gran was saying they are housing refuges with fully furnished houses in east renfrewshire the refuges are selling furnitre they have been given
its shocking as a single parant or disabled person would be delighted with fully furnished house
that steel company closed down.that 900 people now lookin for jobs
the refuges have been sent to.isle of bute that small islend in firth of clyde they will be no jobs their same as her as north ayrshire no jobs and lack of housing i guess the refuges will given housing over people her
or put up in hotles at tax payers expensive
and scotish people go with out
and refuges get everything

the refuges have been sent to.isle of bute

Bute!? but theres nothing there! they would be in just about the same position as Greece except they would get welfare this & that.........& then freeze when the winds rain come in from atlantic, they only know hot, dry climates
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yes bute !!!! could not belive it when i saw it on news
i now couple farmers on bute .bute is farming  isaland
i wonder what prince charles will say as he is duke of bute
the scotish minster said scotland would welcom refuges i wonder if nicola sturgen regeting saying that
they flow refugues on charted flight in to glasgow airport i wonder if tax payers are paying for that
i wonder if they forgote that their was terroist atack on glasgow airport june 2007 !!!

> I also object to the term 'refugees', they were accepted in  greece  but they left there to get work to get money.....that makes them economic migrants, NOT, people under threat of life or in danger as a result of the country they are in!

I think these ones who have been flown to Glasgow are from the refugee camps in Jordan or Lebanon, and according to the government they were selected and vetted there in the camps.  Not the ones from the boats who have pushed their way through the Balkans.

It does seem very hard on the local/native population who are homeless or in desperate need of housing.

I think these ones who have been flown to Glasgow are from the refugee camps in Jordan or Lebanon, and according to the government they were selected and vetted there in the camps.

Yes i know, i saw that, one of them a girl said she wanted to get to uni, i think the ones who went to scotland were well vetted but to put them on bute & presumably on welfare they cant afford to get to college in the glasgow area & these days to go to uni i don't see how thats financially possible unless someone sponsors them. That said and taking into account where they have been sent....well unless someone does sponsor one or some of them to education.....what kind of life would they ever have, non really.
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if you are on benifts you get your collage courses for free  i.am not sure about unis i think theirs funding avible again if  you are on benifs
thats usa offerd $5000 reward for head terrost that masterminded french attacks
a jewish teacher been stabbed by terroists in south of france

britian issued guide how to.survive terrosit atack it says run hide and baraced your self in and switch your phone off

So now, just a few months on, the latest news from germany may well be an indicator of what it means in practice when a culture classes the opposite sex as 'property'....

News from Germany
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046
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I know, it's ghastly although I'd like to see the stats re how many of these men were not local!!    I'm surprised , being Germany, the police weren't out with water canon and tear gas to break up such a gathering but I gather like in the UK, police numbers are down.  Big mistake!

Ms Merkel is going to have to face up to the fact, if the majority were immigrants, that they simply don't have the same ethics re women, as we in the so-called civilised world do.   They regard women as nothing so we shouldn't really be surprised.   And there's another terrible thought - some radical Muslim groups want to impregnant local women, to spread themselves out across the world.   And that idea isn't all down to Muslims..... was a time it was happening, in Germany!

Dark times.

Ms Merkel is going to have to face up to the fact, if the majority were immigrants, that they simply don't have the same ethics re women

She has everything to answer for, starting with an apology to those women, or bits of property as they are to some.

was a time it was happening, in Germany!

Yes it did, time she looked at her history books again.
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Munich Chat forum on topic

http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/discover/
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While shocked by the news that these women endured such horrific experiences I am reserving my judgement on this . We have no way of knowing that refugee/immigrants, escaping the horrors of war in Syria , Iraq and other counties in barbaric meltdown, had anything to do with this. It appears to have been a well coordinated action in various cities across Germany. Who is to say at this stage , that this was not a well coordinated /planned action to discredit the immigrants ? We all know of the factions that are vigorously opposing Ms Merkel's policies regarding acceptance of refugees. This is not a new strategy, not least to Germany. Hitler used the same tactics to justify invasion of neighbouring countries pre WW2. And others have done the same subsequently.

'Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it ' Think I've got the quotation correct . But it makes good sense.

While shocked by the news
In their law women are just property, if they guy wants to divorce he just has to say,
"I divorce thee" 3 times & the property is duly dumped with nothing except whatever he wants to give her, if he wants.
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> Hitler used the same tactics to justify invasion of neighbouring countries pre WW2. And others have done the same subsequently.

And the Nazis did similar re impregnating women to promote the Aryan race.

That is true Mamabas.

As I said, I reserve judgement until more is known about the circumstances of these attacks.

Very sad to learn that these crimes against the women were committed by refugee/asylum seekers. Of course, the perpetrators are a minority and they have been condemned by their fellow countrymen but..this will do nothing for their cause . They must be punished according to the law and have their asylum status reviewed.

Integration is the only way forward here. European countries which have generously opened their doors to them must insist on this. We in the UK have been too tolerant of extreme interpretations of Islamic faith and are suffering the backlash . These men must understand that equality of the sexes is the norm in the countries that have been so generous to them.

During September I spent time helping  refugees arriving at Keleti Station in Budapest, Hungary. The majority were exhausted families, many with young children. I learned something of their journey and of their hopes for the future. They had not left their homes willingly but through necessity, that being to protect the lives of their families. Many hoped to return one day.

Many also expressed sorrow that their country would never be the same again.

theirs been another terror atack in hotel in red sea in egipt
the news has just been breaking .........