Right he's well behaved brilliant on walk with people kids and other dogs very nice natured but when at home he pushes his luck. Like for example if I'm in dining room sitting at the table on iPad or phone dog will come over sit under the chair I'm on and will start chewing my shoes for no reason I say his name and say no and he starts making his noise and some times nips when chewing my shoe and it just ends with him going in his crate and he does this after being on a long walk aswel.and likes to nip the leg or tug on jumper and barks. I dunno if he's trying his luck and think he can move up the picking order or its being annoying or its a pup thing but Iv tried many things not all at once to confuse enough that it would sink in. It's not sinking in thou and I'm at dead end with what else to do for the penny to drop

This sounds exactly like a post we had a few months ago same breed .  http://forum.champdogs.co.uk/topic_show.pl?pid=1419460;hl=pup%20biting

Found it and see it's your own post.

Your expecting a bit much too soon.

He's very much still a baby at 8 months just keep being consistent, with the advise already offered.

How is he doing at training classes??  If your not attending one then I advise you do, and hopefully the trainer can help you fine tune your training.

He won't behave like an adult for at least another year or so, and just like a child he has a short attention span, gets bored and frustrated easily, and wants to play all the time, row gets cranky when over stimulated or tired.

Are you doing training with him each evening to work his brain?
Has he got chews and bones to munch on rather than you and your shoes?
We've all given lots of advice but never get any feedback as to what you've actually tried and what you are doing yourself.
Training is a must!!!
What sort of exercise does he get and how much time wise?
Does he get to experience many different things each week to also work that brain?

To add they are a working breed and not a couch potato so need to work their brain otherwise they become destructive and unruly!

Yeah that's what I thought. I did have him in a puppy class but I didn't think they were very good everytime I came to them with a question they didn't really have answer except attention seeking so didn't take him back. So at moment looking into another trainer for the new year. In general he's a good dog just the barking,tugging on clothes for attention I need snap out of him

What do you want him to do while you're on your ipad?  Decide on that, cue/lure it, and reward it.

Just saying his name and 'no' is not helpful - it gives him absolutely no information as to what he should be doing.  Give him something to do, something to occupy him (a kong, a chew, hide some treats etc), do some training with him to tire his brain.

If you want him to lie down and chill out, look at Karen Overall's 'relaxation protocol'.  This will teach him a relaxed down which you can then build on, by calmly rewarding him with a treat inbetween his front feet when he is already relaxed.

Also look at Kikopup's 'positive interrupter' on youtube (I may have mentioned this one in the other thread).  It is excellent for interrupting unwanted behaviour without correction or punishment, giving you a chance to redirect teeth onto an appropriate toy, or cue a preferred behaviour (or just reward for stopping chewing you).

I'm up every morning to take him out for a walk were a lot of other dog walkers go so and he's walks off the lead interacts with loads of people and dogs on the walk and at the end of the walk there's like a big field play area were all dogs run about and play so there for a good hour and a quarter depending how many people are there so he gets a good run and walk. When I get home from walk he can start up with the barking and shoe chewing for abit then goes sleep I go work in afternoon then my dad is about in the afternoon he plays fetch with him in the garden getting him to sit and wait. I get home In evening give him some attention. Make him sit and wait for his food. Then later on he plays up with the foot chewing tugging on jumpers etc and he does it before bed aswel

He is like a child has a little rest and is ready to go again amd quickly gets bored

I do play with him and do some training with him but it's like he doesn't know his limit and exspect a attention every second but realistically I can't cos like everyone else have things to do which need to be done

Training, training, training.  Mental stimulation.  It sounds like right now, his interaction is almost entirely physical - playing with other dogs and meeting people, then playing fetch in the afternoon which by itself, can really ramp up the adrenaline in some dogs.  Training session when you get home to tire his mind out, and talk to your dad about altering his afternoon game - try teaching him to sniff out a hidden ball rather than playing fetch with it.  That will work his mind and body, without the adrenalin rush of playing fetch.

Seriously, fetch can be a really bad choice for some dogs - one of mine was totally amped all the time when I got her because her old owners had done this every day.  It was literally months before I could have a ball anywhere near her without her being wired for nearly a fortnight from one fetch session.

How much exercise does he get, as in total
Time walked and played with? What training do you do? Sit and wait for his dinner is far from enough. Do you go to training classes?
Walking with a dog walker, playing ball is one thing but won't work his brain and he could actually be over stimulated in that respect.
At 8 months he should have no more than 40 mins in total exercise on and off lead beyond the garden.
What is his breeding? I've asked before and you've never said. Some lines are much more geared to working than simple companions.

From your post above I reckon he's getting too much exercise and no training, that's totally the wrong way around. Sorry but without using that brain he will be looking for things to so as if you don't train and direct him to the right things he will make his own choices and that will be the wrong ones. If you expect him to lay down and be quiet all night then you one shouldn't own the breed and two shouldn't have a puppy.

My girl is a few months younger than your boy and she has 20 mins of exercise max a day. She plays in the garden and we do lots of training. Yes I'm on the net now but Inbetween I'm training also also she has bones and toys and I'm interacting with her. Yes she does chew things she shouldn't but that's my fault because I'm
Not watching her 100%, however when I catch her I direct her to what she can chew or do more training.
Puppies are hard work and Rotts need a lot and I mean a lot of training and hard work! Maturity you'll be lucky before 2 years at the earliest.

Have u had pups before amd particularly  this breed ? Not sure about exactly what you mean about not knowing his limits. He just knows he wants something to do in between sleeping when he needs it and eating .pups don't have an off switch that works to our timetables it can  years before  they are happy to settle for most of the evening except for a mooch around the garden and an evening walk.mine at 4 are quite happy with that but certainly went at the age of yours .

Bsolo, what area are you in? If the breeder isn't close then maybe we can find someone nearby to come and help you as also point you in the right direction of a good training class

I do interact with him and play with him and he's got toys and chews and I do train him but honestly on the training bit I'm kinda stuck with as in what new I can teach him. He sits,down, waits for abit kinda plays fetch when he can actually bother getting the ball. Tried hiding treats around the house. He was going to classes but pulled him out where I went they weren't that helpful but found a really good one now but can't do anything till after Xmas. If you got any good things I can train him I'm open to that. I do care out my dog thou in he has amazing temperament both with people and other dogs honestly bit of a push over. Just these little hipcups. Oh and any advise on lead training were he will stop biting it or try biting my shoes sometimes

I live in Suffolk. I found a trainer in soham called Charlie who has a dog centre there

Boslo why not give give sue jaw a pm amd let her see if she can find someone directly in your area to help . It is hard to explain and then give advise a forum amd maybe someone near you cam help more.

How easy is it for you to get to Ipswich? There is a fab training class there and the main trainer is a rottweiler owner.

I drive just Depends on the day and time.

You can train just about whatever you can imagine.  Train tricks - they may seem pointless but they are fantastic for working brains and they often come in useful in real life.  Watch some heelwork to music vids on youtube to get ideas.  Almost endless possibilities with that and very good for toning up all sorts of muscles - just be careful with the higher impact stuff.  I wouldn't train him to stand on his back legs at his age, for example.  Or competitive obedience - teach him heelwork (takes a lot of concentration).

Work on other 'life skills' too - standing up square, both from a sit and a down.  Useful for vet visits.  Work on building duration on his wait (do that one in short bursts, it is not a particularly thrilling exercise but great for self control).  teach him to walk backwards - I find that one very helpful with large, often clumsy breeds like rotts so you can maneuvre them when they get you stuck somewhere!  Or teach him to sidestep in both direction.  Spin on the spot.  Targeting.  Closing doors.  Pressing buttons.

Look at assistance dog things on youtube - again almost endless possibilities.