I'm confused about KC reg. In the USA we only have AKC; are there two in the UK? If so, when I buy a puppy there, do I get KC reg. or what? Do I have to have the papers before I get a puppy or what?
Rose
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A breeder with kc registration for her bitch ( and with a kc registered sire) will most probably have sent off for registration once the pups are born . I say most probably because they can be registered up to 12 months after the birth ( correct me if i am wrong anybody) for what ever reasons .
Usually upon collecting your pup the breeder will pass on the reg papers and when you get pup home you fill in the "Transfer of ownership" and return to the kennel club and then pup will transfer into your name .

If both parents ( or just one parent even) are not KC registered then the pups cannot be registered either and pups cannot therefore be eleigible for showing .
With KC registration you know that both parents will have had relevant health tests before breeding goes ahead .
I'm sure someone else can advise further on this - hope that bit of info helps anyway
Lel

Not all kc reg dogs have had the health checks, so if that is the kind of dog you are after then make sure you ask the breeder all the questions. Do not think just cos they are kc that all the checks are done, as there are alot of kc breeders that do not do this.

Kersha ..thats right anybody can KC reg without having tests on the dogs first. :)
Also just to add a bit more confusion..even mongrols with an unknown date of birth and unknown parents..can be KC registered :) But only for working...don't know if its changed now but the docs look exactly the same, obviously states on them the difference,so a mongrel could be classed as KC registered...:)
Tracey

Tracey if kc is so important then kc should not allow dogs to be kc/d until all the health tests are done. Sorry to seem a little mad, but i went to see some kc pups the other day and it was like a puppy farm with not nice looking dogs and very small pups.

Kersha

Hi Kersha,
Sadly even puppy farmers can KC reg their pups, as long as both sire and dam are KC reg as well. :(

I wrote and suggested that the KC should only register pups from parents that a) have had the health checks relevant to their breed, and b) have been placed (1st - 5th) at Ch Shows in their breed classes (obviously needs some tweaking to take into account the Import Register etc) because then at least the parents would be reasonable representatives of their breed.

I'm afraid this was not very well received.

Kersha...
If only we could get the Kennel club to do this it would be wonderful :D
A blessing for all dogs in the future..but they won't.
They should do cos their the main body as far as showing,working,registrations etc etc.
Don't now why they won't however, they make their own rules up as any organisation does and if you want to be a part of it then you have to comply.
I think that they would lose out on a hell of a lot of money..cos when people found out how much is costs to get the tests done they might not want to be a part of an organisation that stipulates this rule.
So where it would be excellent for the dogs it wouldn't be so good for their revenue :)
Thats the loop hole for the puppy farms they can Kc their dogs without any questions concerning the dogs health and it makes me sick.:(
Tracey

As you, we only have one official body, The Kennel Club, running pedigree dogs in the UK. Everything pedigree dogs is run directly or indirectly by them.

A breeder and only a breeder can register a puppy and as only puppies which actually exist can be registered it follows that a puppy can only be registered after it is born. If the breeder is quick off the mark they should have the papers in time for a puppy to be collected by the puppy buyer at around 8 weeks old but occasionally the papers are held up, (A name applied for might have already been taken and the breeder then has to submit another name.) but in that case the breeder will forward the papers as soon as they arrive.

Best wishes, John

You are both right. Non perigree dogs can be registered on the Obedience/Working Trials Register as I believe they are in America, in order that they can compete in KC organised competitions. The only thing is that they cannot called a pedigree breed name. Years ago before the Border Collie was an accepted breed all dogs of this type in an Obedience competition were so called. At a stroke, once the breed was accepted by the KC these dogs had to be entered as Working Sheepdogs. Only a fully documented Border Collie can be so called on a KC form.

As far as testing is concerned, there is no law which says a dog must be tested so the fact that it is registered in not proof of testing so puppy buyers would be advised to ask these questions.

Hope this helps.

Regards, John

Actually in USA there are several legitimate registries apart from AKC that run shows and keep a stud book, and many dogs are dual registered, especially those competing in performance events! There are also registries that run for puppy farmers benefit so that people think they are getting a registered pedigree dog!

In UK there is only one proper registru that runs canine events for all breeds (There is the ISDS for sheepdogs). The others are just ways of puppy farmjed stock to look legitimate with fancy stationery with no meaning. There are at least two run by big puppy supermarkets, one bing Dog Lovers, and the other the Dog Registration something ort other club.

The UK Kennel club is just a record keeping facility. To check on every individual breeder re health checks, care of dogs etc would be impossible. What it does do is to register the parentage of all dogs registered and gives us a large database which is useful if hereditary problems then occur cos it can be traced down to a short (or not so short) list of dogs. Health check results are noted in breeds where the problem is acknowledged to be hereditary and this is shown on the puppys paperwork if these have been carried out. Caveat emptor.

Hip Score results are also printed on a pups registration form if the parents have been scored, and this is for all breeds.

The KC is not just a registration body but the organising body for shows and all manner of Working disciplines and Sports. There are very few competitive events for dogs run outside the KC umbrella. These are mainly Terrier and Lurcher events, and also the International Sheepdog Society runs all Sheep Dog Trials.