Exactly the same story, if not word for word. One responder offered to adopt the puppy, but basically the same advice given as here. Easy enough to find the site.
People puzzle me at times.

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I think I just got it....Wind Up Merchant

> I think I just got it....Wind Up Merchant

Thank you for that - I was ignorant about this too

Just to add, if somebody is leaving a dog alone for up to 10 hours in 24, and then is in bed, presumably for 6 - 8 hours, what time does that leave for time with the dog?  And for me that means why have a dog?  Food for thought?

> the same advice is being offered there.

Yet he says they were much more helpful, hmm?

> Why would a WUM? post  on both sites?

I'd not say a WUM, they didn't hear what they wanted, so tried here, and got same response so made them more defensive.

He isn't left for 10 hours why are you all making you'r own assumptions he is being left for 4

Being left for 4 hours at this age - I would never even have sold you one of my pups.  You say he's being left for 4 hours, well how can that be when you have taken time off work to be with him.  You haven't even gone back to work yet according to you.  You can't even get your story straight.

If you are with him and not working he needs putting out to wee (and you stay with him) every half hour or so.  You haven't learned anything about pups however many you have owned.

That is not the information in your first post, which is what most commentators will be going back to.

Even 4 hours twice a day, every workday is too long for a baby puppy, as he can't consistently hold his water that long.

You need someone to be able to go into him at least once morning and afternoon, after a few weeks, once you have a routine.

Ongoing training is going to be an issue though with so much time alone, with no one directing his play he may go self employed.

Certainly at the moment you need to spend 15 minutes before you leave, each time, with some constructive play teaching him things to tire his mind and give him some interactive toys.  A radio or TV left on for some voice reassurance.

When he gets older he should have a walk before you got work and after you get home.  This shoudlb e 5 minutes for every month of life, so just 15 minutes morning and evening, building up 5 extra minutes each month.

It will be important to take him out for socialisation walks at the weekends where he will see and meet mor than on morning and evening walks, with the days getting shorter and walks are going to be mainly in the dark.  A training class will be vital, for the interaction even if you know how to train.

The comparison to a baby is not unreasonable, just because he's a dog, and you can get away with less care, emotionally and physically at the moment his needs are similar.

This is probably one of the least self reliant breeds (you'd get away with what I describe above with my breed for example), but German Shepherds, like many herding and Gundog breeds form very strong (some may say over reliant) attachments to their main caretaker.

Kdale3 do you have a dog friendly neighbour who could pop in on and off during the times you are not there, just to break up the pups day?

I bought a 9 month old bitch once who had been crated pretty much all the time. She didn't scream or cry, she'd given up as yes she had learnt -learnt that there was no point as there was no help to be had. When I took her to my vet for a check up he initially wondered if she was either brain damaged or blind, as she did not react to anything at all, she just stood there. Yes she had LEARNT to not react to anything because it did not help. It took until she was 2 years old before she was house trained. It took just two days out of the cage for her to realise there WAS another life to be had, and she would panic if I tried to put her in it at night. So she sleeps on my bed. She's 9 now and a happy dog but some of her issues she will never get over such as her mistrust of strange men and dogs she doesn't know, as obviously she wasn't socialised as a pup.

I really hope that others, (at least) reading this thread Goldmali will understand how important it is not to ignore and leave a pup so young in solitude for hours and hours. They are sentient beings who can and most definitely do, develop mental issues if not treated correctly, puppyhood is supposed to be the happy time, the nothing is scary time, 'I'm safe, I'm secure, I'm exploring and learning all the time, bonding and socialising,' who wants an adult GSD that isn't bomb proof and feels secure, he will work the world out as he dictates, and in a way to survive, it may not be how we would like a domestic dog to be, catastrophe waiting to happen.....

I hope others will learn from this thread, I hope the OP will, a dog does more than eat/poo/greet and walk, it needs mental stimulation and mental stability, it is what moulds that dog and gives him his character.......

> He isn't left for 10 hours why are you all making you'r own assumptions he is being left for 4

As I said earlier, assuming you are working typical full time hours, and so leaving him for 4 hours at a time, that is too long for any dog displaying signs of separation anxiety, which this pup is (and it's too long for a pup regardless).  He needs constant company or as near to that as possible, while you train him to cope with being left.

I've got a German Shepherd puppy.  This is my 4th one and she is the only puppy of all different breeds that I've had that actually screams for attention.  Maybe it's something in the water.  Others just barked normally.

Wind up merchant

> Wind up merchant

Sadly I doubt it, this is one reason so many young dogs end up in rescue, when the owners realise they can't just be left, and have become a nuisance to them, and very damaged individuals, so they expect someone else to try and sort them out.

I have a now 20 week old Malinois puppy, the 8th of the breed that we have owned (not all at once). This one was totally different to any we have experienced. No matter how much we ignored screaming in the crate it didn't stop, to the point where she got so stressed about going in the crate even for a few mins that she would get an upset tummy and poo in there. She was more than happy to settle in the crate in the bedroom at night and takes herself off to bed in there now but the crate in the living room was just awful for her.

Rather than make her more and more stressed we took the crate away and put a baby gate across the living room door. We also have outside kennels so she spent an hour or so outside in the kennel, sharing with another dog and the others in their kennels too. She really liked this and was given stuffed kongs, bones chews and toys to have in there so it was fun and had dinner in there. Indoors she gets the living room and is in there with 3 other dogs and is now more than happy. We got her at 9 weeks, I was able to work from home or take her with me if i went out (got her used to car travel etc). Only when she got to about 16 weeks did i leave her for any length of time (the most being 2-3 hours), she is happy and settled now but she wouldn't have coped with being left after only 4 days.

> she is happy and settled now but she wouldn't have coped with being left after only 4 days.

and of course she has canine company.

> This one was totally different to any we have experienced.

I hear this more and more and I am sure it is down to indiscriminate breeding/poor breeding practices (profit, in other words).  I've heard it most often with GSDs and springers and it's always the same - 'we've always had this breed but we've never had one like this!' and a few questions about the breeder soon sends up multiple, huge red flags.

> Sadly I doubt it, this is one reason so many young dogs end up in rescue, when the owners realise they can't just be left, and have become a nuisance to them, and very damaged individuals, so they expect someone else to try and sort them out.

Totally agree, know of someone who had a Boxer pup at 8 weeks, joined them on Saturday & on Monday left in a cage under a kitchen unit all day, office hours of 8-5, & genuinely believed he was an 'knowledgeable' dog lover. Again on another forum for BH's, a new owner was complaining about the whining & crying all the time, turned out she'd brought the pup home & it was left to it's self in the garden & only allowed to join them for a couple of hours each evening before going out again. Her problem was the disruption, as it lay at the patio doors watching her & crying non stop while she worked from home.

Sadly it's happening more & more, a phenomenon of a I want society (not everyone), who has little concept of morals, values or responsibilities.

No it is not everyone, I pondered long and hard about getting a dog, my relationship of many years had broken down, I live on my own  and I knew that it was mostly a selfish need to have a dog as I work full time. However I did finally give in and get one, I go home every lunch time, she goes to Puppy Day Care at a local kennels Tuesday & Friday and I have a lady who comes in to sit / walk with her on Monday Wednesday & Friday afternoons . I very rarely go out in the evenings and have given up various thing that would mean that we are separated in the evenings. All because my need for companionship should not be eased by a dog being in solitary confinement most of the day. It is also my intention to get another of the same breed hopefully a rescued older dog in the next few months which I know will enrich our little band even further. Most people will do what ever they can to ensure their dogs are happy and for-filled.

> I work full time. However I did finally give in and get one, I go home every lunch time, she goes to Puppy Day Care at a local kennels Tuesday & Friday and I have a lady who comes in to sit / walk with her on Monday Wednesday & Friday afternoons . I very rarely go out in the evenings and have given up various thing that would mean that we are separated in the evenings. All because my need for companionship should not be eased by a dog being in solitary confinement most of the day.

Exactly, with a will, and appreciation for the dogs needs as well as our own it can be done, but it takes dedication sacrifice and of course will cost.

Sadly many people don't appreciate the sacrifices needed and the responsibilities for the dogs emotional, mental and physical welfare.  maybe it is because families are smaller and many folk grow up with no memory of younger siblings who needed a lot of care, and had household responsibilities as a contributing member of a family.

All i can say is please find the puppy a new home and go buy a teddy bear

In my case this is not due to poor breeding, she is not from the same breeder as the others but still a very reputable breeder and the stud dog is owned by the breeder of all of my others, they are very closely related with a lot of the same lines. In fact this pup is the most confident, outgoing Malinois pup i have ever owned, i think due to the fact that the breeder did so much more with them whilst they were young.

> Exactly the same story, if not word for word. One responder offered to adopt the puppy, but basically the same advice given as here. Easy enough to find the site.<br />People puzzle me at times.<br />

Yes, I found the thread on the other forum & at a quick glance, the postee has had more or less the same advice as given here!!

I have been to the vets today to get his first jab and she said she had always had GSDs and worked and I just have to let him cry it out and ignore it and eventually he will learn.

I have had a lifetime or looking after GSDs and I would never leave an adult dog in this manner, let alone a pup. I am sorry but your vet really doesn't know what they are talking about, and if I was a neighbour and was aware a pup was being left like this then I would report you.

Sorry not what you want to hear but it is the way it is for me. My dogs are members of my family, not toys that can be turned on and off and left whenever the need arises.

> and if I was a neighbour and was aware a pup was being left like this then I would report you.

100% I would report under the Animal Welfare Act.  It is a certainty that this poor pups welfare needs are totally ignored.

My blood boils.  Nobody makes you have animals.  But if you want them then you should accept responsibility for their needs.

Hi Brainless, when I said Wind Up Merchant I was responding to the poster above mine who asked what WUM meant

I've only just seen this thread and I too have a puppy, he's 4 months now and drove me mad in the first few weeks....I too had many times where I thought "Oh my goodness, what on earth have I gone and done"

But please, to leave your puppy alone for 4 hours on his own at such a young age makes me feel so sad for him....he isn't being naughty....he's scared, very scared and very lonely.

Can't you get someone to go in and play with him, tire him out, put a filled Kong in his bed and make it a place where he feels secure ?

He needs to go to the toilet so often at this age and you can't expect him to hold his bladder....it'll be painful for him.

I do think you've not given the situation much thought and would re home him with a family or person that is home more often and can do the whole walking out of a room for a few seconds, walk back in, ignore, walk out, back in, ignore and so on.

He will get it in time and be a wonderful, content, confident boy...I'm afraid just not with you if your situation doesn't change.

Oh, and to say that you know people that leave their dogs for 10 hours....10 hours ? Now that seriously is cruel.

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Jane Margetts says: so because he wants out of his crate when he sees you up and about you want to get rid of him... perhaps putting him out in the garden to relieve him and also feed him would be a good itea and bonding with him would be far better than ignoring hin .... leaving him most of the day when he has been locked in a crate overnight must be boring from hell.... with no contact .... so yes rehome or contact breeder and send him back
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Gary Griffin says: The pup will out grow this and he/she will be a bestie !
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Sandra Andrews says: When I was working, set my alarm for 6 am in order to drive 4 miles to let my dogs have a run and relieve themselves before I went to work at 8 am, and yes I also did this during the winter! Got them lights for their collars so I could see them in the dark! Drove 12 miles round trip at lunch time to let them out for a pee, and then walked them after tea for an hour or more. You get out of a dog what you put into it. Don't get a dog if you are going to leave it in a crate and leave it on its own all day.
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Valerie Wright says: He would be better off with someone who does not work full time. I would not let anyone have a puppy from me that was going to leave him all day.If you can't make better arrangements for him find him a good new home.

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June McLoughney says: Rehome him to someone who will give him the attention he needs
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Gary Birks says: If he's been on his own in a crate all night, you need to spend time with him in the day. You need to understand he's just been taken away from his mother, brothers & sisters. He just needs a cuddle. He's probably terrified. Once he knows your there when he needs you he'll start gaining confidence. Play with him treat him he'll be fine. You go toilet, take him with you so he knows where your going then he won't be so scared next time you go. If possible take an old blanket to breeder and ask if his mother can sleep on it for a night then put it in is crate. He'll feel safe with his mothers scent around. Way to early to give up. unless your leaving it al day as well , then you need a cat not a dog.
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Justine Dunsmore says: This is very sad, getting a puppy and leaving it all day is just insane, he won't learn to go out to wee and poo if you aren't there and small puppies need a lot of time and attention, he needs to be re homed until your work life changes. Gsd's are notorious for suffering with separation anxiety too so this will get worse and it just isn't fair on the puppy.
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Carol Chapman says: I completely agree why would you get a puppy and leave it all day and not expect problems
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Liz Bushell says: Taking on a puppy is a huge commitment and its really sad when reality hits home that you as an owner, are totally responsible for the well being of the new addition. Its very rarely plain sailing and takes loads of love, time and patience all of which seems to be in short supply

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Sue Williams says: Reading her reply posts the puppy was purchased from a breeder who wouldn't take it back - byb.. The puppy is crated only at night. She goes home at lunch to check on the pup..
I have suggested to get a dog walker in to do a morning and afternoon visit on top as well. Training is also key which others have touched on.
This pup if rehomed would end up a rescue centre or goodness knows where through the free adverts.. The best thing if she's not prepared to get someone in and work at the training side is to contact a GSD rescue and hand it I've rnow

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Simone Petrie says: Sounds like your pup has separation anxiety! I had to go through this with my malamute! I had to start small ie leave the room wait a minute and then go back! Building up the time that I left to when I went back it does work you just need to stick with it! Your puppy then learns that you are going to come back also when you do come back make a fuss of him. Hope this helps and good luck x
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Jayne Hill says: Poor little puppy, this makes me sad.

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Lynn Page says: And me Jayne. My 9 y o GSD is on borrowed time with hemangiosarcoma and I'd give anything to have him back as a pup again

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Sarah Pirie says: Think you need to send him back to the breeder. A puppy takes an awful lot of time and dedication to rear successfully. How is he supposed to know you go out to piddle and poo if he's not been taught it's the right thing to do with lots of praise and YOU staying out there whatever the weather till you get a result? They don't come fully trained. How he turns out is up to the owner. My suggestion is maybe have a cat who will be more independent but even kittens need a lot of attention. Maybe with working full time you should shelve the idea of having an animal meantime.

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Vinya Norskhund says: such a sad post. my puppies never cried at night as they came in to my bed with me. hugs and cuddles are needed loads an till the puppy gets used to the new home and new smells. till he sees you as mum. I think even i would cry if i had spent 4 days in a strange place where no one understood me . poor poor little baby

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Andi Miller says: I forsee huge problems in the future and I am no clairvoyant frown emoticon

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Suez Forsyth says: I'll have him as you've obviously not thought through raising a puppy. !

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Carolyn Stewart says: Poor dog!
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Tracie Jones-Davies says: I'll have him
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Tracie Jones-Davies says: Your creating a vicious circle by the ignoring, I'd be developing this pups confidence which he is clearly lacking by bonding with him rather than ignoring him, he obviously doesn't know why he's being ignored. Crating him like that can also appear to him to be punishment... At your pups age my pup would be with me more often than away from me.... You're missing a small socialisation/ bonding period by treating him like this at the moment...
If you seriously want to get rid of him, I would have him if you like?

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Anne Vickerstaff says: I hate these sort of threads. Why on earth get a puppy if you have not time for it???? It's a PUPPY and will just not know what is going on. No way would I let a puppy go to someone who works full time. frown emoticon

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Mark Gibbs I'm glad everyone isn't being judgmental lol

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Kerry Diamond says: I'm finding it hard not to make a nasty comment here.
Is the dog locked in crate constantly? That's what this reads like, if so, no wonder he's crying! My dogs follow me around the house! He needs toys, stimulation and interaction. I work full time but my neighbour lets them out for the toilet and they are walked and played with, cuddles the lot when I get home. My dogs are a huge part of my life and that's what new owners need to realise. Why get a dog if time can't be spent with them, id read to think what'll happen when he starts chewing! He is also probably missing his litter mates and human company! Should've got a goldfish! X

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Sarah Farmer says: Also leaving him in a crate all day is unbearably boring. By asking for help you know in your heart that perhaps you didn't make the right choice? And no, he won't get used to your full time job I'm afraid...

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Bev Golding says: Very hard not to make judgemental comments. Nothing right with this. Poor puppy having to put up with being kept like that, not the other way round.

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Siobhan Johnson says: Put the puppy up for adoption so someone can look after it and not resort to ignoring the poor thing. Just a bit of advice- don't get another dog if that's your opinion on looking after it. Get a snake.

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Sarah Farmer says: A puppy is a full time job, and hard work. If you work all day then you need to get someone to walk him, and that's the minimum, there's also training, you will have to sort out when and where you will organise and attend regular training, and socialisation. I think if you are very honest with yourself, you have taken on a puppy at a time that you don't have time for him. It's not too late to speak to the person you bought him from and explain this. Have you owned a dog before?

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Alex Riddell says: Bringing a puppy home when you work full time was an enormously selfish thing to do, puppies are like new borns, they need a huge amount of attention. You are not suitable to be owned by a dog and for his benefit I would suggest you return him to his breeder who hopefully will make a better job of picking a suitable owner tban he or she did when they picked you

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Sue Harris says: Its difficult not to be judgemental, at what time during your very busy day/life did you intend to devote time to this poor little mite? Between the hours of 4.50pm until 4.45 pm when its convenient to sit down for a cuppa on your sofa?
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Louise Hay says: Who sold you a pup??? Left at home all day, poor thing.

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Lisa Stewart Phillips says: This poor pup has been wrenched from everything he has known so far in his life, his mum and his littermates. He is now being totally ignored or left alone for large periods of time and quite rightly is getting distressed about it. Return him to the breeder and buy a stuffed toy.

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Nicole Wild says: Firstly, you're not "bound" to the sofa in the mornings - he is now learning that if he is screaming and crying, it will make you go onto the sofa = puppy getting what he wants through learnt behaviour. If you work full time, and nobody else is in the house during the day then I would be inclined to say a puppy wouldn't be right for your family at this present time.

My pup is 14 months old now. For the first month I was tired and emotional but it didn't matter how little sleep I had or how stressed I was this little pup was my responsibility and I had to keep him happy, fed and content. He was in a crate only at night (in the next room so I could hear if he became worried) or if I had to pop out for a short time. The crate also gave my other dog a brief period of normality.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that too many people get dogs and make them fit into their lives which all too often means leaving them for hours and hours on end, on their own and worse still - locked in a cage (I hate crates and cages and got rid of the borrowed one I had within 10 weeks).
My dogs happiness comes first and leaving them more than 4 hours is a no no. Luckily I work part time so it's easy and I only do a couple of shifts a week. If my lifestyle had been different then all selfish thoughts of dog ownership would have been forgotten.
Don't get a dog if you can't give it time and company.

Right everyone read the posts before you write something and judge me!
He sleeps in a crate at night next to my bed with the door open.
He goes out to the toilet every few hours in the night and has never pee or anything Inside during the night.
Why are you assuming I don't feed him or train him? He gets fed 3 times a day and I train him for atleast an hour a day.
He isn't shut in a crate in the day so I don't know why you're assuming that. There is a stair gate up at my living room so he can't go in there because it is carpeted. I go home at lunch and feed and fuss him and let him out.
He is only crying for a short period of time. Maybe half an hour after he notices I've gone and then He is fine.
You're all making me out to be such a terrible person but you don't know me or how much effort I am going to to make sure he is well cared for.
I leave him a kong, many toys and the TV on when I am gone for a few hours.
You're all making it sound like I shut him in a kitchen cupboard for 12 hours a day and don't feed him.
He also can't go for walks yet as he hasn't had his second jab.
In the day my parents also go there with their dog so he can play with him aswell.
Stop all bitching amongst yourselves about me when I only asked for advise.
Everyone get annoyed and frustrated with their pets and he is a lot of head work but worth it.

FYI he is only in a crate at night as he goes in there to sleep himself as it gives him a security den to snuggle in and he is never ever shut in there in the day

AND it's only for 3 days a week

So this: He will sleep in his crate over night till about 6am with some but very little whining but as soon as I leave the room to go to the bathroom or do anything he screams in his crate! Does that mean you do NOT let him out BEFORE you do anything else? With a young pup you have to be super quick, when they need to go, they need to go -and if he's been asleep it will be very urgent. Everything else can wait.

AND it's only for 3 days a week

That does not tally at all with your first post which said: I also work full time so he gets left in the day . 3 days a week is not full time.

It's because my boyfriend works over the weekend and I don't do he is off some days in the week that I'm not

None of this had been in your opening post. You advised  worked ft and he cried ALL  the time. No mention of 3 day work week or help from your other half. If in your first post you had advised  this new information you may have had a different response.
I think you posted when tired and overwrought and possibly missed a chunk of info out,easily done. Do you still feel  you haven't bonded with pup? Does your oh play with him and use simple commands in garden?stay? Come? Wait? We played and used the shoulder harness and lead up and down the garden and our drive whilst waiting to go "outside". He got used to the feel of it and walking by me with praise and a special treat.

Why not start over and advise what help you actually seek? The problem etc!

You say in this post he only cries for a short time if you leave the house, yet earlier in your first post you stated this : - I also work full time so he gets left in the day but I've always had dogs before and never had a problem with them but our new puppy cries and almost screams his head off constantly while we're gone. The neighbour said he does it for hours after we have left and it's really loud So not only are you leaving him for "Hours" he is crying for "Hours" as well.
Maybe its time to get your story straight. !

> That does not tally at all with your first post which said: I also work full time so he gets left in the day . 3 days a week is not full time.

and in the first post this is what most people picked up on:

"but our new puppy cries and almost screams his head off constantly while we're gone. The neighbour said he does it for hours"

as I leave the room to go to the bathroom or do anything he screams in his crate!

Kdale3...........he's locked in his crate, your words.

I also work full time so he gets left in the day but I've always had dogs before and never had a problem with them but our new puppy cries and almost screams his head off constantly while we're gone. The neighbour said he does it for hours after we have left and it's really loud.

He screams for hours, your words,

You can't keep re-writing your story to fit, the replies you were given are heartfelt and from people who have lived and bred dogs for decades, you have to be honest with how you are raising this pup and look at the honest replies, a pup is not for you, no matter how many times you re-write your story, changing it here or there to sound better, or how many sites you put it on changing the words in the hope for a reply you may like?...... it is more important to look at what you are doing than have someone say you are doing nothing wrong.

The pup is the important thing here, not anyones ego..........the pup is clearly not happy.

You can not possibly give him enough time, or do you do no housework when you get home, make no dinner, eat, see friends, go out, watch TV, relax after a hard days work, how much attention can he possibly have? Just being in the same room, is not attention for a pup, he needs, so much more than that.

Please don't forget that with a dog like a GSD he is intelligent and will get bored and then will get naughty when bored. He will also need training and socialising with other dogs as soon as he can go out. An untrained unsocialised GSD is not a good dog to cope with, for you or others, and in some cases can be downright dangerous. You will need to find time to take him to classes etc so that you and he can have a good happy future and mutual respect all round. A big dog must be safe with other people and other dogs and this comes from his early experiences and training.
If left too long he can develop his own way of doing things which may involve biting to get his own way if not taught otherwise, and a bite from a terrier can be sore but a bite from a GSD can be far worse. He needs training the nice gentle way, with love and treats, not the old way of beating him into submission ( that way never works)  he needs to love and respect you and want to do the right thing because he wants to please you. And you need to show the same love and respect back, this way you will have a wonderful partnership

I wish you well and hope that you find the time to enjoy his company, please bear in mind he is a living creature and needs company and attention as we all do.

>He needs to learn time in the crate is down time at night and my owners sleep upstairs and I sleep down here.

Not by your bed then?
You're not getting told by all the experienced GSD owners on the dedicated forum that leaving a puppy to scream was doing great.
The scariest bit was saying your vet thought this was all fine.

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As a breeder of another velcro breed I would have been absolutely heartbroken if this was one of my puppies--I'd be knocking on your door to buy him back!

You just can't expect a puppy to last most of the night, never mind manage on his own during the day. I understand you feel frustrated and upset, but what you are doing just isn't fair and you run a very good chance of turning him into a dog with serious separation anxiety.

You can't just turn a puppy out for a wee, expect him to perform instantly and bring him straight in again, he needs time to learn (I clicker train my bitches, the dogs learn more easily but they are still a good 6 months before they can be relied on) but also to be praised, have a play, and be loved before you leave him at all, even if it is just 5 minutes in the bathroom, or getting ready for work. What you are actually training him to do (very effectively) is to recognise all the signs of being left alone for the day, and I'm not surprised he is crying and upset.

I genuinely feel sorry you are in this predicament, but you have a choice, and your puppy doesn't. Short of having a dog sitter/walker come in for him several times a day there is no way you can expect to teach him anything by leaving him on his own. The fact that you feel you can't or don't want to bond with him says it all. For his sake, please let him go to a home that understands and can cope with his needs. You obviously feel your work and household come first--even your neighbours come before him--and that's fine, but then let this poor lad go before he is permanently damaged by this experience.

Ok so say I didn't have to work...
What about when I need to leave the house to go shopping etc and he cries? Is that wrong too?
I can't be there 24/7 every day

I have 6 dogs and they come with me to go shopping, etc. My breed is known for needing human contact and although I was surprised by the extent to which they want to be near me (three dogs will stuff themselves under my desk just so their heads can rest on my feet), I don't see that I need to chastise them for it. Of course there are times when it isn't safe or desirable for them to be underfoot; safety gates and crates come into play then, but I make sure they can see and hear me.

I can recommend Malena Price's book on separation anxiety. She seems to have some real success, but you'll see just how involved and demanding it is to try to wean a dog off needing your constant attention. Sadly, if you can't invest the time in analysing why your puppy reacts this way, and working out strategies to help you both cope, it's virtually impossible to improve his behaviour.

>He needs to learn time in the crate is down time at night and my owners sleep upstairs and I sleep down here.

He can learn that without being left scared and crying.  Both my first pups slept up in my room to begin with, to help them feel secure overnight, and within a month or so, both were sleeping downstairs with no problems at all, because I took the time to introduce it gradually.  They slept down there for 3 years before I moved up here (I had cats then and they didn't like the dogs so the cats had upstairs, but I lost them before I moved so here, the dogs sleep upstairs).