Should the term "Show Quality" be used in an Advert for Pups for sale or is this used generally by the Breeder as a sales tactic. I am told on the one hand that it remains near impossible to predict if an eight week old puppy will be any good in the Show Ring, (apart from obvious defects) and that they are far and few between, yet I continually note the term "Show Quality" in adverts that appears to include the whole litter. On the other hand I attend Shows within our Breed and note on several occasions that Dogs with what is classed as "undesirable" markings (for example, within the Breed Standard description) continually win. In other cases I quite often see Dogs winning even though they clearly have (even to the untrained eye) some type of defect, (Eye condition for example) yet goes on to gain a CC.

"WITHOUT PREJUDISE"
I have heard from many people who attend Shows (and I confess that I feel this to be the case) that it is not just the quality of the Dog that is taken into account, but also the Dogs Kennel Name. So! should the Term therefore be ignored or even disused in adverts

Show quality inn relation to parents is fine, but I don't think any pup unless already being shown (over 6 months) can be termed show quality but should be termed 'show potential'.

Also what is 'show quality' for some it would mean a dog with a good chance and average luck, of winning CC's (very few), a dog that would not be disgraced at championship shows, but not likely to go all the way (the majority of dogs shown).

Any registered dog of course can be shown, so strictly speaking it refers to a KC registered dog, of a breed recognised.

> is this used generally by the Breeder as a sales tactic.

I would not think so, at least not in my breed where all pups in a litter cost the same to rear, and they are all sold first and foremost as family companions, and priced identically by most breeders in most breeds.

I'm quite good at gauging whether mine will be "Show Quality", things can go wrong of course but we all have to partake in that risk.
In many breeds and with entries so low it's difficult not to win, coming last will still get a stud book number in some cases........ so even when I sell 'pets' they sometimes  get SBN and ShCM.
I sold one last year and he was a champion by 15 months, he went as a 15 week old puppy....he WAS show quality but wasn't ever advertised.

Being curious I've just spent a while trawling through adverts on various sites regarding "show quality" puppies! Had to change the breed type a few times before I found a hit! The most common factor being the "Pug" advertised as show quality from the known registered sites,free sites and a few private ones too.
Why the "Pug" filled all search pages no idea.My burning question
If a puppy is sold as show quality could the buyer have a full refund say in 15 months if puppy deemed not show quality?

Show potential at 8 weeks could be said but make sure in the contract that it's written as no guarantee to how the pup will then out and that show and working results can't be guaranteed for them as adults.

If a puppy is sold as show quality could the buyer have a full refund say in 15 months if puppy deemed not show quality?

Most contracts would state "Show potential indicates potential at time of sale only and the breeder cannot guarantee that the puppy will be successful in the show ring in future" or something similar.

I would say that a show breeder worth their salt can tell by 6-7 weeks if a pup is going to be suitable for showing or not. Obviously rearing and training of the pup will have a great influence, but it should be perfectly possible to gauge POTENTIAL. How else would we pick our own pups? And certainly in my main breed you tend to get entire litters of pups good enough to be shown. It's rare to get one with obvious faults unless you have mixed in working blood to the show lines. Other breeds are different.

> Should the term "Show Quality" be used in an Advert for Pups for sale or is this used generally by the Breeder as a sales tactic.

I've seen adverts stating puppies are "Show Quality", where the parents aren't KC registered!

Thing is, any dog who is KC registered can enter a show

> <p /><br />I've seen adverts stating puppies are "Show Quality", where the parents aren't KC registered!

ROFL!

Some people would actually be that gullible.

>>I've seen adverts stating puppies are "Show Quality", where the parents aren't KC registered!
>Some people would actually be that gullible.

Sadly yes, it was on one of the infamous pets for sale groups on Facebook. I did take it up with the advertiser, that they couldn't be shown if not registered, to which I got the answer the buyers could register them themselves.... and when I (bravely? foolishly?) tried to explain why that wasn't possible, I got a nasty answer, was told to go forth and multiply, and was blocked.

So yes... there are a lot of gullible people out there... but also a lot of people who KNOW how many gullible people will just pay up without question, and deliberately fleece them.
And that infuriates me.

Their answer could be that they can be shown at companion shows and terrier/Lurcher or whatever shows.

This has often been discussed but for me, with my breed, suggesting any immature puppy is 'show quality' is pushing it.  I guess, as happened in Canada, it could be said a litter from show stock could be said to be 'show quality' as opposed to 'pet quality' a la stock from a BYB or Puppy Farm.   I prefer to use the term 'show potential', but again in my breed, I would be running on those with 'show potential' (with the possible exception of an early outstanding male which I'd not want to keep back for myself, or in the event of a really good litter )  - the rest would be pet quality, because early on, there was a fault I'd not want to see in the ring.

I kept a puppy from my last litter, now 16 months, As I thought he had potential. When he was 10months old, I was told by. Champ show judge that he was "bum high " his shoulders were wrong and that I needed to get rid as he was not good enough. As you can imagine I was devastated. However his last critique stated" good neck and shoulders , good top line maintained during the move" So difficult to tell during puppyhood as they change so much.

Not everyone can pick a puppy. I am flabbergasted at how poor many breeders are at this.

I had a litter of 5 and they were seen by many people, gone over by several championship show judges....some were clueless.