Thought I'd share this regarding a poor puppy who is very ill at a vets.There is a fb page too

Please be careful about buying a dog from someone named S. L from Netherton, Dudley, through the pets4homes .co.uk website. We believe she is running a puppy farm and think she is not taking care of her animals properly. We have bought a puppy from her on Tuesday, who is now fighting for his life in Blacks Vet Surgery in Dudley. He has been infected with Fleas for weeks and they have gotten into his bloodstream and are killing him. She told us not to take him to the vets, but luckily we did in time. If you care about animals, please share this post and warn as many people about this as possible to stop this happening again......
She is still selling bichon frisse puppies now!!!!

It's a shame they didn't hear the many alarm bells ringing and walk away from this breeder, if it's the same one I saw on fb last night, it is 7 weeks old and they've had it a few days!! No responsible breeder of toy breeds would sell a puppy at 7 weeks, they need to be kept till they are at least 10 if not 12 weeks!

It has red staining all over it's face (poor rearing, breeding, possible infection!)

They paid £375 for the puppy which is well below the average price of a well bred Bichon puppy, so imagine it has no papers etc.....

When will people learn?

Poor poor puppy.....heartbreaking

I have to agree that to some extent the buyers are at fault as they surely must have seen the condition of pups and litter, and if not why not.  Even the most basic research would have warned them off the litter.

No excuse at all these days, nearly everything you buy can be researched first.

I understand why you have named names (even initials only) like this, but is it 'wise' to be doing this?   Far better might have been to warn people where this potential puppy farm is, but then name these people privately, via a private message.   You could land yourself in a heap of legal trouble.

People need to be warned about that website in terms of finding a well-bred puppy - although I note that lately there are people I'd have called 'good breeders' now using that site to advertise their litters!

> although I note that lately there are people I'd have called 'good breeders' now using that site to advertise their litters!

These sites are purely for advertising and the quality isdsown to who advertises, good breeders need to advertise in these venues so the public realise there is a choice and make the adverts clear that they are superior.

Not fleed and vetted, but lifetime breeder support parents health tested for x,y,z, carefully reared.

The fb page had more detail. The owners went with another potential  buyer again to breeder who started to show concern until owner asked for full refund and vet's  bills. The situation then got very nasty apparently with breeder threatening the owners!
I didn't include the full name as the fb page did due to protecting myself etc re libel! However without any public disclosures  how will people be forewarned? I thought as previous discussions re potential  puppy farms it was a precautionary  alert for any prospective  buyers out there.

However without any public disclosures  how will people be forewarned?

When such disclosers are made public, they can be made as 'statements of fact' to the limits of all & any evidence based documentation which exists......otherwise they can still be made 'based on personal opinion'..................statements of fact are strong, personal opinion, based on some kind of emperical evidence is challengable & 'weaker'.

Take at look at the vids a google search brings up for Dr Rachel Casey, Bristol uni lecturer, the statement is made as a statement of fact on the basis a PDF of minits of a meeting exists ------if the same allegation were made as speculation based on nothing then the video and its author would beliable to both Dr Casey & the uni......theres a fine line but it can be dealt with in cases where someone wants to make a wide public disclosure of someone or something etc, etc.......incidentaly, the bristol uni told the author to remove that video, as a response the author generated many more of the same, there was no liable involved, only a statement of fact.....posted as an example sample of a google search for dr rachel casey, click any video.

http://bit.ly/1JjVMWQ
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True,anyone can ask now to have a video or post about themselves removed from online by applying to Google.  Images taken by Google eye even too. However all 9f us at some time or another may use the throwaway  line "that's a fib/lie" or "I don't believe you" there are not hundreds of libel cases due to personal opinions.
Until a few start a campaign or add a voice how can the public be made aware? Be it an exposure for a poorly run puppy farm,residential home or a doctor's clinic until it's out there,its hidden away
For me, until I'm standing on the fourth plinth in trafalgar square with megaphone causing affray and public disorder,I doubt I'll be had up for libel yet.
I see no reason why a report or a few people's opinions should be seen as weak? It takes strength to stance up and go against the grain. Whistle blowers are a good example,standing up against a corporation or public figure get pilloried by many and often become the hounded. Freedom of speech is a valued right we all have here still. Thank goodness

I see no reason why a report or a few people's opinions should be seen as weak?

What I meant was that >in law & liable< it is a weak personal opinion, but a '
"statement of fact' has no variation or ambiguity whatsever and 'in law' (a liable case) there must be tangible, credible evidence for a respondent (defendant) against the liable claim to prove they are not liable and the events aledged did happen as they stated.

Providing that 'level' of evidence  exists then the allegations can be spread publicly far and wide 'with immunity'.
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> good breeders need to advertise in these venues so the public realise there is a choice and make the adverts clear that they are superior.

Yeah right.   If only it was that simple.   Anybody can put anything on a website advertisement so of course, any purchase, of anything, must always mean the purchaser does their homework.  Nothing can be taken as read - goes without saying.

> Nothing can be taken as read - goes without saying. <img title="razz" class="fsm fsm_razz" alt="" src="/images/epx.png" />

Well of course always se paperwork etc, and use your eyes and any common sense people still have.

One thing I'd say is never see the pups until everything else is checked out, to avoid the cute factor changing your mind to mush.

The cute factor is the one thing you just can't dodge!

Oh you can.  I never allow potential puppy buyers to see the actual pups until everything else is satisfactory and they are happy with being mugged by the adults.

Mugged by the adults! I'm assuming you mean mom and other older dogs you have

Yup, canine Mum, Grandma, Great Grandma, Aunt, Cousin