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- By Finn madew [gb] Date 15.08.15 21:53 UTC Edited 17.08.15 06:56 UTC
How do i go about breading my pedigree dog and wot age please

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- By JeanSW Date 15.08.15 22:02 UTC
It would help if we knew whether your pet is a dog or a bitch.  :grin:
- By Finn madew [gb] Date 15.08.15 22:49 UTC
Good point dog lol
- By JoStockbridge [gb] Date 15.08.15 22:57 UTC Edited 15.08.15 23:02 UTC Upvotes 3
First your dog would need its breed recommend health testing ( its not the same as a vet health check) for your breed this would be
Eye testing (with a specialist eye vet)
DNA test for prcd-PRA
DNA test for FN
Hip scoring
Gonioscopy

If you dog passes all of those with good results then look thurther into breeding. At that point you will need to know your dogs faults and there lines.
If you have a male you will need to prove to bitch owner he is worth them using him at stud. Your breed is a very common breed so bitch owners are spoilt for choice when it comes to good quality studs. You would need to prove his worth threw working, showing, compeating with him. As a good breeder won't want to use just any dog and as a stud owner it will be your job to make sure onky responsible breeders use him.
If you own a bitch you will need to find a good stud who complements your girl, you will find the males at shows, field triles ect. Showing/working your girl will help teach you where her faults lie and will show a stud owner that she is breeding quality as a good responsible stud owner won't just let any old bitch use their stud.

Also showing and/or working you dogs will get your name out there with in the breed. As your breed is common they are over bred with loads of pets being irresponsibly bred for the wrong reasons. This will mean finding your puplies good homes will likely be harder if you are not known in your breed for having quality dogs.

Before you actually get to the act of maiting a dog you will need to know the process, what can go wrong, how to spot if it has gone wrong and what to do if it does. This is a lot of Info and there are a few good books on this. I'd recommend getting the book of the bitch and read it cover to cover.
- By Finn madew [gb] Date 15.08.15 23:01 UTC
Thank you for help much needed info :grin:
- By Lynneb [gb] Date 16.08.15 07:45 UTC
Is you dog working strain?
- By suejaw Date 16.08.15 07:57 UTC
Just wondered what your dog has to offer the gene pool for him to be used at stud? For she have any siblings out there which could be used? Has the breeder offered any advice and have the endorsements been lifted from his KC papers?

What are you hoping to get from allowing him to be used once te health tests have come back and providing they are good he is used?  Another puppy? Money?
Have you also considered that some males will start scent marking in the home, not all but some do and become a lot harder to handle when out and about on walks around other males.
Some dogs do change and you need to bare that in mind when it comes to the fact you have a family pet.
- By JaneS (Moderator) Date 16.08.15 08:03 UTC
It looks like your dog is working strain. As well as the tests already mentioned, there is also another DNA test to consider for Acral Mutilation Syndrome which has been seen in Working Cockers: http://www.antagene.com/en/ams-acral-mutilation-syndrome-english-cocker-spaniel

You might also want to read this forum sticky thread: Should I Offer My Dog at Stud
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 16.08.15 09:56 UTC Upvotes 1
If you have a male you think you'd like to offer at stud, there are a number of considerations before you allow this, not the least being having the non-breeding endorsement all good breeders would put on immature stock they sell, lifted.  Assuming his breeder thinks he's worthy of being used at stud - has something good to pass onto the breed.   The owner of the stud dog is 50% responsible for any offspring he might sire after all.    Secondly only top quality animals should be used for breeding, and even if you allow him to be used, unless he's a pretty successful dog, in whatever discipline you compete in, he's only going to attract 'pet quality' bitches.   And it would help if you knew a bit about your breed, so you could evaluate (know) the bitch being considered for your dog.   

Many good breeders, with a promising puppy, would use him themselves first, on one of their own suitable bitches, by around a year at first, as an introduction to a future stud career.   They'd see what he throws and if good, would probably put him away to concentrate on a show career before offering him at general stud, to 'strictly approved bitches'.   Maybe.  :wink:

One more thing - apart from doing all the testing relevant for his breed, you do realise that once used, he may well start looking for the next bitch, who probably won't be there.   In other words, if he's a pet, you'd do far better keeping him as just that - a much-loved pet.
- By Finn madew [gb] Date 16.08.15 22:44 UTC
His family was
- By Finn madew [gb] Date 16.08.15 22:50 UTC
My thourghts wear the right thing do dont need the money might carm him a little he stoped at familys house when on hol for a week started spraying would like to carry his genartion on has big family tree
- By MsTemeraire Date 16.08.15 23:47 UTC Upvotes 2
A lot of dogs have big family trees.... but that's no guarantee of quality or suitability for breeding.

I have rabbits with great family trees (yes! including champions) but that alone doesn't make them breeding quality. Those champions were not created by random breeding, they were made by knowledgeable people who had been in the breed for many years and knew what to look for when putting two animals together.

In dogs there's even more to consider such as genetic health, screening for inherited illnesses, and temperament.
- By suejaw Date 17.08.15 04:20 UTC Upvotes 2
Being used at stud won't calm him, not sure where you've got that from and if he's already scent marking in a home then that is likely to get worse. You will find him banned from friends and family homes if he scent marks inside, this is also a problem with home boarders too, many will charge for damage caused if he does this and will often call you emergency back up to collect or place into a boarding kennel at your expense.
Do you know anything about his pedigree at all? The dogs behind him and other dogs not in his pedigree as to whether he would be compatible with certain bitches?

My boy has a great pedigree with champion parents, he was shown but that alone doesn't make him suitable to be used at stud, yes he was health tested but many things about him mean it was a no. He is still entire and lives with bitches and has lived with entire males and never had scent marking in the home - I'm lucky.

Is your boy from show or working stock? Most reputable breeders will look at dogs within the disciplines that they compete in for a stud dog, these are ones who health test and look at temperament and know pedigrees and the ancestors inside and out as best they can.
Back yard breeders who do it for the money will choose the nearest available dog to them and not care for health tests, what pedigrees either have, whether they are endorsed (the parents) or temperament... They want the money and maybe the experience of it. Do you want to be part of breeding for the right reasons or the wrong reasons?
I think if you did all the health tests, got involved with your breed within one of the disciplines and if your boy is a good example then you'd find people approaching you, if they don't then you know that maybe he is not right to be used in the gene pool.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 17.08.15 08:59 UTC
One more thing - much as it would prove the quality of an animal if he becomes a Champion, by no means do all Champions even, pass on their virtues.   In fact I've quite often seen a non-Champion litter brother being the better producer.   The secret to good breeding is having the ability to look at any dog with 'rose coloured specs.' off and that isn't usually achieved without a lot of experience, and the help of those who do have knowledge of the breed too.

Goes without saying that if your dog is already marking (cats spray), once allowed to be used at stud, this will become ten-times worse!    Most behaviour like this is, however, down to training/prevention.
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