Someone I know is advertising their lab for stud, he's just turned a year old.  Too young, do we think?

Also, hip and elbow scores but is there anything else they should test him for?  I highly doubt they'll listen at all to anything any of us say but I will try at least!  I wish they wouldn't breed him at all - flipping dog humps every other dog half to death in the car when he's not got his nose glued to their bits, he has to be kept separate and he is just loopy on walks, I can imagine he'll be 10 times worse after this!  And he's overweight with what to me looks like poor conformation - he's got a serious barrel-middle sway going on when he walks.

With the number of Labradors being bred there is no reason to breed from a poor one.

There are more Labradors bred and registered each year with the KC than all the other 6 groups put together.

Eye testing, definitely.

Hips and Elbows definitely as one of the breed most prone to both.

That alone will set them back around £400.

They could do a whole host of DNA tests too if they were looking at responsible breeding, but from the sounds of it, they're just after a few quick £££'sss

Oh yes prcd-PRA alone is $195 dollars, plus getting the blood drawn or swabs taken.

Learnt from bitter experience, that using a dog whilst they are still in the teenage phase turns them into utter arses when around other entire males. Never will I make the mistake again. At the time, you think you will cope and that your teenage male is such a laid back, kind boy that it probably wouldn't upset him. Wrong. Still 6 years on, my (breed known for being so laid back they are horizontal) male remains on lead when away from home and we give every dog a wide berth in case it's a male.

Hips, elbows and eyes!! Many issues can still show up between now and 18 months that I wouldn't use or allow a male to be used before they are 18 months old.
He's far too young IMO to be used.
If they want him to be used why the rush? If they do it properly and wait, sounds like they are going to anyway what's another 6 months or so at the very minimum?

CNM, EIC, HPNK .......all cost me £200 ish earlier this year

So it is fair to say to do all the testing on a Labrador expect to shell out around £800?

Good breeders (this is in my breed) will often use a young male at around a year old, on a suitable bitch in their own kennels for the experience and to see what he might throw.  After that they put that on the back-burner and concentrate on a show career.   If the dog does well, and attracts interest, they may offer him at stud (to strictly approved bitches).   As I really didn't have a kennel full of bitches who weren't all related, with mine I'd let a male attracting interest (and mine did for their overseas lines alone) be used on the understanding he wasn't proven - and I'd not take a fee until there was a litter on the ground.  Fact is I turned more enquiries down, than not for the simple reason that not only is putting two untried lines together an unknown, it's usually the 'fault of the stud dog' if the unexpected happened!!

We do the gonioscopy test in my main breed although at the time I was breeding I only tested if a problem appeared - so no need to wait for Hip and Elbow scoring.

This situation with the Lab. smacks of 'kerching' and for sure, I'd need to see Hip and Elbow scores before using the dog.   Further, if the dog is being a nuisance, before he's been allowed to mate, heaven help them once he has been!  Or even if he's not humping now.  

Serious sway - poor hips, probably.

I'm sure they'll find someone wanting to breed a"designer" litter who won't care about health tests!!

> Further, if the dog is being a nuisance, before he's been allowed to mate, heaven help them once he has been!

Never mind them - we've got to walk the flipping dog!   He already has to be caged in the car by himself or he won't leave them alone, right now he's not too bad on the walk itself but after this... oy...

Just thought I'd update this.  The dog actually had his hips x-rayed yesterday!  The owner asked me if I knew of any bitches needing mating locally, so of course I jumped straight in and asked if he'd been checked   No idea what hip scoring was.  Sigh.  I doubt he'll get any other tests - they haven't mentioned any so obviously haven't gone and googled much, but at least they're doing this.

Unfortunately it means that when I picked him up for his walk today, the GA was still very much having an effect and as soon as I turned the engine on, he let go - and continued letting go til I was halfway down the road and turned round heading back to drop him off again!  Roughly a gallon of pee in the back of the car, and I've just spent two hours removing panelling and lifting carpets to clean it all up.  Just got to dry the floor mats off shortly and get everything screwed back in.  Arg!

I'm just very relieved that I was driving my berlingo with the mostly plastic and metal boot and not the boss's qashqai!

What a pain he should have had Elbows done at the same time.

Then Optigen for prcd-PRA etc etc

Nikita what about letting them have this leaflet http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/media/451962/breeding_health.pdf

The owner asked me if I knew of any bitches needing mating locally,

If I was to write an article about what words or phrases that should never come into it either when breeding dogs or buying a puppy, I think "locally" definitely has to be one of them -right alongside "deposit secures", "Puppies flead" and "studding"!

Just mentioning the hip score was enough with them - the bloke is very easy to switch off, I was treading a line just with that to try and egt him heading in the right direction.  But given the sway in the dog's walk, I'm expecting him to have a bad score so with any luck, that will put them off breeding him.  I have told them that his humping and badgering of dogs will get 100 times worse if they breed him, I think that fell on deaf ears though!

Puppies flead lol were they running away ? Studding as in chrome studs.bit like been spade and then there is bread of course

Or speyed (like the river) that's my favourite!

Nah 'Spaded' I think is the worst. 

I have some horrific thing going in my head of some mad Vet type gouging innards out with a spade.