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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / 1 puppy not weaning so well
- By suejaw Date 07.07.15 07:02 UTC
My pups which are a large breed have been on solids for just over a week now, lots of top ups from mum as well.
One of the pups isn't taking to it so well, she regurgitates the food each time, I've tried making it much more sloppy which worked for one meal only. I've put a bowl down of goats milk and she's done the same.
I've watched her and can't see that she's trying to get the food down any faster than her litter mates in fact I'd say she's slower. I've given her a bowl of food on her own and fed her apart which made no difference.
I'm now putting her on mum at every meal time to get something inside of her. She's still gaining weight but not at the rate I'd hope in comparison to her sisters.

I'm hoping for some ideas here and really
Hoping that it's not a case of her needing veterinary intervention. She's bright in herself and plays with her litter mates too, in fact if say she's quite bold with them at times.
She pee's and poo's well by herself also.

Maybe I'm worrying over nothing here and she's just a little slower at developing that the others?
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 07.07.15 07:31 UTC
I'd suggest, physical problem internally apart, she may just be less forward than the others at the moment.   But as you are seeing this, and are clearly worried, why not have your vet check her out, just in case there is something physical going on.    Does she bring mum's milk back?
- By darwinawards Date 07.07.15 07:36 UTC
It may be congenital megaesophagus as this shows most commonly in very young puppies who are just starting to wean.

Here is a link to more information on it:

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_megaesophagus.html

I hope it helps
- By suejaw Date 07.07.15 07:42 UTC
She doesn't bring the mothers milk up no.
I hope to god it's not the condition which has been posted :-(
Will book her into the vets I think for a check
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 07.07.15 10:34 UTC

> I hope to god it's not the condition which has been posted :-( <br />Will book her into the vets I think for a check


Sending good thoughts!
- By bucksmum [gb] Date 07.07.15 10:48 UTC
If she is pooing is it the same colour as the others poo....you know when it looks darker and you can see it's solids coming out not milk poos? If so she must be getting some down and keeping it down.

I had a litter that often brought up solids for a while.....they soon settled...hope this will happen to your little girl...I put it down to overstuffing and then playing too hard.
- By suejaw Date 07.07.15 12:20 UTC
Been to the vets and she's too young for any X-ray to see if it's the above. I am to feed her on a raised platform to see if this helps of syringe it into her in a very liquid format.
- By suejaw Date 07.07.15 12:30 UTC
Poo's are normal compared to the others and she's just taken some down and kept it down
- By bucksmum [gb] Date 07.07.15 13:41 UTC Upvotes 1
she must be keeping food down if she is pooing solid poos rather than milk poo's. Hopefully she will settle soon ...like I said some of mine in the past have done this and it settled once they got used to the solids.

If it is the worse case scenario and Megasophogus it is not always as bad as you think. My sister brought a German Shepard which had this as a pup...by six months there was no sign as the dog has been fine ever since.....although clearly you would not want to breed from her as I understand there could be a hereditary predisposition

So hope she will settle in a few days....just don't need the extra worry do we!
- By Merlot [gb] Date 07.07.15 15:20 UTC
I had GSD pup once who ate well from Mum and never had a problem until I started feeding solids. He could not keep food down at all. He would eat fine but within 20 mins the whole lot would come back up. He too peed and pooed as normal. Never had a problem with Mums milk. We took him to the vet and they could not pin point anything. He did eat well and slowly put on weight but not as well as the others. He did much better on a very liquid diet. At 6 weeks we decided to keep him as he could not go to a new home. By 12 weeks he was a skinny little scrap so the vet knocked him out and had a good look down his throat and did x-rays. He had a diaphragmatical hernia and all his guts were in his chest cavity. The surgery was very expensive and required a specialist but my trusted vet offered to do the best he could with no promises rather than send him off to a hospital and £££'s worth of unpredictable surgery, to at least give him a chance. The surgery to repair the hernia was successful but the weeks of holding food in his oesophagus instead of being able to swallow it properly had taken its toll. He  had a very stretched esophagus and was prone to chest infections due to unavoidable aspiration at times. We lost him at 3 years to pneumonia, he had a short but happy life so I feel we did the best we could for him. We called him Zip !! he had the biggest scar down his tummy bless him. I hope your little one picks up and it is not the same problem.
Aileen
- By suejaw Date 07.07.15 15:44 UTC
Did he have any other outward signs at all? This girl has no issues with breathing and her heart is good and lungs clear as the vet checked those today as well.
- By Merlot [gb] Date 07.07.15 16:12 UTC
No nothing, they could find nothing at all until they knocked him out at 12 weeks.
- By Merlot [gb] Date 07.07.15 16:14 UTC
Once the surgery was done and he started to grow and keep his food down as he ran we could hear a "lub lub" sound it was his floppy oesophagus and occasionally food would get trapped in it hence the aspiration onto his lungs that did not help with his chest.
- By suejaw Date 08.07.15 07:10 UTC
I've just been having a further read re regurgitation v's vomiting. She's actually vomiting.
So this leads to something else for which I'll speak to the vets later about. So possibly the food? I've tried her on cooked flaked chicken and the same thing happens, I've put her on the puppy food blitzed to a runny paste and she's better on that but so far not on every meal. I'm also making sure she's feeding off mum more than the others too so she is getting something inside of her which she always keeps down.
Anyone any other ideas now I can see it's vomit and not regurtitation as they lead to different things and I can't find anything on the net re vomit..
Was thinking maybe it's the food which isn't agreeing with her?
- By darwinawards Date 08.07.15 11:59 UTC Upvotes 1
I am sorry to be the one that keeps giving you information that may not be what you want to read but you may want to read more about Pyloric Stenosis.

In dogs, the pylorus is a muscular passage that's found in between their stomach and their small intestine. In normal conditions, this remains closed to allow the stomach to fill up with food before it is stimulated to open by the stomach's contractions. This then allows any food to pass out of their stomach and into the dog's duodenum which is their small intestine.

When a condition known as pylorospasm occurs, this muscle does not relax in order to let the food pass out of the stomach which results in dogs experiencing bouts of vomiting of undigested food they've just eaten. The condition known as pyloric stenosis is where the pylorus narrows and this too interferes with food being passed out of the stomach which again causes dogs to vomit. The condition is often congenital.

A dog's stomach is designed to store large amounts of food ready for the digestive process to start. The food leaves the stomach once is has been digested which is typically within 12 hours of them having eaten it. It is the gastric folds found inside the stomach that grind the food for it to be digested but it is the acids and enzymes secreted by the inner stomach lining that breaks down the food first. Partially digested food leaves the stomach through what is known as the pyloric sphincter so it can enter into the small intestine called the duodenum. However, it is the pyloric sphincter which can for some unknown reason  cause a health issue for dogs when it starts to spasm or to constrict which results in the opening becoming smaller and narrower. This is the condition is called Pyloric Stenosis.

You may find that your puppy suffers bouts of vomiting after they've been fed. This is one of the more typical signs of a puppy suffering from the condition. The food appears to be undigested and on occasion a puppy will only bring up part of their meal because the narrowing sphincter has allowed some of the food to enter the stomach without causing the puppy to be sick.

If the puppy is fed a watery diet, the food passes that much easier through the narrower hole and the same can be said of any water they drink. However, bulkier food can cause a real problem and in a worst case scenario restricts the amount of food a dog can digest which then leads to dramatic weight loss.

Sorry for sharing, but it may be something you can discuss with your vet. Apparently an xray can be used to identify this. I hope speaking with your vet will help rule it out, rather than in.  Keeping my fingers tightly crossed for the little one.
- By suejaw Date 08.07.15 18:42 UTC
Had a good chat with a number if them today including a specialist who said it's highly likely that it's a food intolerance or it's taking her time to digest anything other than watery food at this time but to keep going as because she is doing well in herself he's not worried and said anything internally wrong he said is highly unlikely as we don't have any other symptoms however to monitor.
He said he would want to do a contrast ultrasound on her should this persist.
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