Hi all,

What do you all think if a bitch whelps early and she then has not had the full 3 weeks of panacur at the end of pregnancy. My girls always go 4 or 5 days before due date so obviously the pups don't get the full 3 weeks of wormer before they are out. I worm, as instructions for 2 days post whelping as well but would you think an extra day or two post whelping should be done to cover the days the pups have missed out on due to coming a bit early?

I'm not sure what you are asking to be honest.   All my bitches were wormed BEFORE being mated.   And then when the puppies were 2 weeks old, and received their first worming.   And the puppies were wormed every 2 weeks from then to the time they went home, their new owners armed with a full worming history, when done, and with what.

Only once, with a singleton puppy, did I ever see any worms coming out after worming was started, at 2 weeks of age.   I used Shirleys Worming Syrup.

Hi mamabas

I always worm my bitches during the last 3 weeks of pregnancy to kill migrating larvae that have been woken up by the pregnancy hormones and pass to pups via placenta.

My bitches are always wormed just before mating but this will not kill the larvae that is woken by the pregnancy hormones hence the 3 weeks panacur

My question is as if the pups are born early they have missed 4 days of panacur inside the bitch so is there an advantage in worming them for a extra day or two post whelping to make up for this?

If anyone that does worm their bitch for migrating larvae with panacur knows please let me know your thoughts. Thankyou

I understand your question and in fact when they don't eat last day or so mine have generally been "underwormed" I suspect. I just carry on the 2 days post mating and then the 2 weeks regime next.
Never had a problem when whelping earlier and not worried about it. All following and using Panacur regime.

Hi bucksmum

I have used the same regime as you for many years.  And I always say that is why pups are used to Panacur before they are born.  I start worming on day 40 and I have a breed that normally whelps on day 56.  I can promise you that there is no need to worry and you don't need to dose your bitch further. 

When you do pups on day 14 for 3 days mum will have one day on the normal adult dose.  Remember that during pregnancy it is really a quarter dose for your bitch.  I have never seen any problems using this regime.  Pups will be born 98% worm free so all they need to do is thrive. 

You are using a veterinary recommended regime that has been tested to the fullest degree.
Jean

Thankyou Hazenaide and Jean,

Just thinking out loud really..appreciate your thoughts. Have always used this regime but my bitches seem to be whelping earlier recently and was thinking an extra day post whelping via milk is the same as in utero through the placenta.....as you say though probably uneccessary. That is very interesting what you say about pups tolerating panacur after birth Jean.....my litters have never had any issues with it,maybe that's why.

Mamabas......interesting what you say about having a wormy pup using Shirleys....I always advise my puppy buyers never to use this only veterinary wormers as have heard of Shirleys being ineffective many times. 

Thankyou for sharing your experience ladies

Good luck with your litter. I also worm Mum at same time as puppies but nowadays use milbemax at the 2 week stage as palatable for Mum and a one dose tablet.

> ......interesting what you say about having a wormy pup using Shirleys....I always advise my puppy buyers never to use this only veterinary wormers as have heard of Shirleys being ineffective many times. 

bucksmum

Funnily enough I bought in a Yorkshire Terrier 10 years ago and told my vet that the breeder had been using Shirleys wormer.  He told me that I may just as well use nothing at all for the good it would do.  I always use veterinary wormers too.  I use Drontal on all my adults.  Interesting to hear your opinions on this.

"interesting what you say about having a wormy pup using Shirleys....I always advise my puppy buyers never to use this only veterinary wormers as have heard of Shirleys being ineffective many times. "

I have always used Shirleys wormer but again, the only time I ever saw anything as a result, was with my first litter - one singleton puppy - and I'd not wormed the bitch pre-mating.   With a later singleton puppy, having pre-wormed that mum after my early experience with litter number one, I saw no worms.    I'm aware that Shirleys only hits roundworm.   And for sure, only used it for baby puppies.   Once mine went home, they were wormed with 'normal' worming meds, on my advice at 3 months, and according to what the new owners' vet recommended.   Same with those we kept.   We rewormed at 3 months, using another wormer, usually either Panacur, or Drontol.  Fecal tests suggested/confirmed that they were in fact clear, having used Shirleys when baby puppies.

Jean...yes, I have heard the same. I sold a pup once that the owners went on to use Shirleys and he lost a lot of condition and weight when I saw him a few months later. I flipped a bit when they told me they had used Shirleys as it was cheaper than vet wormers and he improved quickly when wormed out with drontal. I now give very strong advice in my puppy pack re which wormers do what.

Mama.....I also like to ensure that Hookworm are treated for in my litters and the panacur will treat these..It's not just roundworms puppies are vunerable to and Hookworm(the Ancylostoma type) can be passed from bitch to pups via milk and  will cross the placenta. Milbemax will kill the most common type of Hookworm (Ancylostoma) but doesn't kill the ucinaria type but panacur does. Even my own vet didn't realise this until she looked it up. Good to hear your views...we live and learn