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- By sillysue Date 17.03.15 09:26 UTC Edited 18.03.15 10:49 UTC Upvotes 1
I have just read an article in the paper regarding kids being left alone with dogs. The results are frightening. I have copied and pasted some of the article below.

NEARLY half of parents would leave a child under 11 alone with a dog despite a rise in attacks, a shocking survey has found.

More than 1,600 youngsters were admitted to hospital after being harmed by a dog during 2013 to 2014, figures show.

Yet 44 per cent of parents said they would allow a primary school child to be left alone with a pooch, with 12 per cent saying they would leave under-fives with one.

A further 32 per cent also said they would let their children approach or pet a dog they did not know.

The statistics were revealed by Dogs Trust as it launched Be Dog Smart, a campaign to highlight how to stay safe around dogs.

The charity found that more than half of primary school age children thought that a growling dog was smiling.

Around 60 per cent of parents said they teach their kids how to stay safe around dogs.
But a staggering 98 per cent were unaware there are more than 20 signs that a dog may be aggravated and could bite, such as frantic pacing, wide eyes or an arched, tight back.

Last year 6,740 people were hospitalised from a dog attack, a quarter being children.

There are around 8.9million dogs in the UK and around a third of children come into daily contact with one.
- By saxonjus Date 17.03.15 10:16 UTC Upvotes 1
Wow those are high stats. I always worry when I hear oh my children can do anything to the dog, climb over/on him etc and he doesn't bat an eyelid! Why are some owners so blase or naive? An accident waiting to happen. My children were aware not to mess with our dogs when eating or asleep and certainly not riding/jumping on their backs! I do let children say hello when they ask to my dog but advise them let him sniff back of your hand then stroke him. It's often the flapping hands in the air above a dogs head that unsettles them.
- By JoStockbridge [ie] Date 17.03.15 12:46 UTC Upvotes 2
And yet when a kid does get bitten the parents allways blaim the dog instead of themselves.
- By Nikita [gb] Date 18.03.15 08:00 UTC Upvotes 3
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  Next door do it with their ambull X staffy, he's a lovely dog but it's not him that's the problem!  Couple of weeks back I saw the oldest child (~10) jabbing him into his kennel with a 4ft pipe, over and over, talking really nastily to him until he started to growl back.  I bellowed at the boy who looked straight at me, then carried on!

Stormed round and told the mum who had no idea it was happening.  She did promptly rollock the boy but of course it should never have been able to happen in the first place, and it worries me for the future of this dog as a few days back, the toddler was outside unattended with him.  Now he wasn't even looking at the dog so much less concerning, but still unsupervised, and stood inbetween the dog and the back door - the dog doesn't like being shut out away from his adults and he just wanted to go back in.

If anything does happen, you can bet your backside I'll make damn sure the world knows exactly whose fault it was.
- By Schnauday [gg] Date 18.03.15 19:41 UTC
This is an interesting article whether you have dogs, kids or both.
http://www.robinkbennett.com/2013/08/19/why-supervising-dogs-and-kids-doesnt-work/
- By Hethspaw [gb] Date 19.03.15 03:50 UTC Edited 19.03.15 03:52 UTC
The statistics were revealed by Dogs Trust as it launched Be Dog Smart, a campaign to highlight how to stay safe around dogs

One of many well understood methods & techniques of of how charities manipulate susceptible members of the public to promote themselves to maintain/increase income.

Daren Huff, late 1960's (pre net)
http://tinyurl.com/l5xu5oy

& others similar
http://tinyurl.com/l99ggjs

Esoteric comments on 'The Dogs 'Trust'
http://www.cfba.co.uk/cawc-updates.html
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- By suejaw Date 19.03.15 06:41 UTC
What paper and does anyone have this article?
- By Hethspaw [gb] Date 19.03.15 06:52 UTC
Hethspaw
Esoteric comments on 'The Dogs 'Trust'
http://www.cfba.co.uk/cawc-updates.html


It should have been this link
http://www.cfba.co.uk/can-you-trust-the-dogs-trust.html
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- By suejaw Date 19.03.15 08:30 UTC
I'm looking for the article which was in the paper with these stats that te original poster typed about
- By Hethspaw [gb] Date 19.03.15 08:52 UTC
I'm looking for the article which was in the paper with these stats that te original poster typed about

Oh ok, I thought it was something my links might have implied. Id also be interested in seeing the source of the stats and the year the stats refer to.
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- By sillysue Date 19.03.15 09:17 UTC
What paper and does anyone have this article?

It was The Sun on the 17th March. I read the online version and have to log in to read it, for this reason I copied and pasted.
- By mastifflover Date 19.03.15 09:28 UTC Upvotes 4
Saddening, but unsurprising stats :sad:

I think it's not just a case of parents NOT teaching their children to behave around dogs, I think it's more of a case of general poor and shoddy parenting. Many parent just don't seem to care, or they act as if their childs safety is everybody elses problem.

Whilst walking Buster a few weeks back, we had reached the field we get to - an old orchard, with 2 streams running through - when 2 unattended, small children came running up behind us, squeeling with delight as they approached Buster. Both the kids were very young, about 3 & 4 years old. The smaller of the 2 was eye-level with Buster, the other only a couple of inches taller.
IF Buster had spooked at the approach of these kids and turned quickly to avoid them, he would have sent one flying, let alone how frightened they would have been if he had felt threatened enough to give a warning bark (awesomely loud warning bark, that would stop a grown man in his tracks). However, Buster has been taught to move slowly, slowly tuning his body around so his head is facing me (or rather my treat pocket!) and his but is facing away - (people that feel the need to reach out and touch him without asking, then pat his rear rather than his head, and nothing has to be explained to them about how strangers should not touch a dogs head that they don't know if they can't read body language)..

These 2 little boys patted Buster, then ran off down the field. A couple of minutes later a woman appeared behind me, walking with the all the urgency of a sloth as her little boys ran so far ahead of her they were little squeeling dots in the distance.

Even if that woman was sooooooo mentally slow that it never occurred to her that dogs are walked around in this country and some may bite an out of control child that gets in it's face- she should have known and CARED that there are 2 streams in that field - although not very deep, the few inches of water is still enough to drown in, especially when she is too far away to be of help to her kids in an emergency.

When parents don't even seem aware of the danger of water, it's of little wonder that they see danger in a dog :sad:
- By tinar Date 19.03.15 10:26 UTC Upvotes 1
Doesn't surprise me either.

> NEARLY half of parents would leave a child under 11 alone with a dog despite a rise in attacks, a shocking survey has found.<br />


Many of which no doubt are the same parents that let their dogs off leads in the park despite having no skill whatsoever at recall; their dogs bounding about hyperactive & approaching every person and dog in its path - where the owners say "he's friendly don't worry" about 2 minutes before he provokes a dog fight.

> A further 32 per cent also said they would let their children approach or pet a dog they did not know


I wouldn't have been surprised if that stat was higher. I have children approaching my two almost every other day their little hands going straight for my dogs heads without asking and parents nowhere near enough to talk to. I stop them and then show them the right way to approach the dogs and explain why. Kids are pretty good; they always listen and learn really quick but they do also have a tendency to see white balls of fluff and assume they are there for cuddles, or have a tendency to think because "their nan has one" that all dogs are the same. I use it as a learning experience and show them how they should introduce themselves to dogs they don't know and why they should ask first  - and where possible do it loud enough so the parent hears.

I took care of my niece 5 days a week, 10 hours a day since she was born up until she joined playschool  -  she is 3 1/2 now - my dogs both adore her, completely smitthen with her  - but I introduced them properly, gave the dog their boundaries with her, and as she grew made her know she didn't do certain things with them or to them as well - I can hand on heart say I trust both my dogs around her completely - and my neice is a natural animal lover - very considerate - even making sure she never drops chocolate, raisins/sultanas etc without picking up straight away as she knows it could hurt the dogs - she is very chilled out with them - but I still would NEVER leave her in a room with them alone unsupervised because you can never put your hand on your heart and know for certain that a little kid wont break the rules or do something stupid, you cant train them as well as dogs!! (lol).

There are parenting classes for new parents - or those that need it - pity there isn't a common sense class for those with dogs & kids too ................
- By Hethspaw [gb] Date 19.03.15 10:39 UTC
same parents that let their dogs off leads in the park despite having no skill whatsoever at recall; their dogs bounding about hyperactive & approaching every person and dog in its path

Below was not even a park, public path way out in a country area & an owner with 3, 'friendly', dogs, appx 10 days ago!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVd8mRjE2Xw
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- By RozzieRetriever Date 19.03.15 11:07 UTC Upvotes 2
I had something similar to that years ago when out with my twelve year old GR who had terminal cancer. She was out on a slow walk when approached by an English Bulldog obviously young, who then tried to hump her. We continued to walk, but he kept coming back. Eventually I grabbed his collar and pulled him off. At this point I was told to 'get yer hands off me dog, he's only trying to play'. After a brisk exchange of views I was informed that they didn't need people like me on the park. Hum....
- By gem533 [ua] Date 30.03.15 08:05 UTC
very cute pics of dogs http://lafozi.com/us-en/category/animals/ :grin:
- By Jetstone Jewel [ca] Date 30.03.15 12:18 UTC
The information at this Canadian site is used internationally and it's whole objective is to teach safe child/dog interactions.  It's a great resource for parents and dog owners.  Many dog owners themselves would benefit from the resource/food guarding information.  Might be a good thing to forward to people? 

http://www.doggonesafe.com/
- By Hethspaw [gb] Date 30.03.15 13:18 UTC
OP
The statistics were revealed by Dogs Trust

Well I have just gone through the dogs trust site & found no reference at to what is >'implied'< as some kind of dogs trust survey. I went through the majority of their site until I got too fed up to continue & found only one ref on their site to 'kids & dogs' but it was not a ref to any survey & was not remotely anything like what the OP originally reported, I've pasted that at link 1.

To balance all that & in fairness to DT there is no indication that I have found that The Dogs Trust ever referred to the OPs' statistic's etc, etc....that in turn makes me wonder if it was the paper that the OP read which might have been 'misquoting' in order to manufacture news grabbing stories to maintain its readership & maybe boost itself in some way. I'd be interested know which paper it was Silysue.

'Link 1'
https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/help-advice/factsheets-downloads/0293_dgt_6pp%20dl%20stay%20safe.pdf

DT home page.
https://www.dogstrust.org.uk
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- By sillysue Date 31.03.15 17:32 UTC
Try this
http://www.learnwithdogstrust.org.uk/free-learning-resources/Community-Education/be-dog-smart/index.html

It was The Sun on the 17th March. I read the online version and have to log in to read it, for this reason I copied and pasted.
- By Hethspaw [gb] Date 31.03.15 18:43 UTC
It was The Sun on the 17th March. I read the online version and have to log in to read it, for this reason I copied and pasted.

Ahh ok, thats what i wanted to know but I cant find the figs on DT site, how they arrived at any figs or when it was done.
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