Why on a live tv show such as Crufts should Caroline K run down puppy farms tell the general public not to buy from them or pet shops, or any outlets that could be selling these poor REGISTERED creatures, then still take the MONEY to register them in the first place,
Don't try and tell me she  and her staff can't find out where they are being bred before registering either, affixes addresses tel numbers.
Just push push for us all to be accredited, but still take the fees from puppy farm bred pups. I will never ever be dictated to by the kennel club, as  the most of us bred more litters perfectly, beautifully housed  with all our health test in date for new owners to see for them selves, with the mothers available to see, bla bla bla.
Why Should we be members of there accredited club.

Money of course zuluhour. I believe she also commented that hobby breeders are no better than puppy farmers if they do not join ABS. Didn't see it myself but a petition is going round for her to apologise for her comments. I was a member of ABS but it is a "one size fits all", that is not what breeding is about.

I really hope her spies on here let her know how we/I feel, don't wish to generalize, I listened to her on the night she sat there with our lovely claire, and she dribbled on, I was an ABS member once also, never again. The money it fetches in is huge, the regs go up, I am a small breeder, for 40 years, with 8 generations, all eye tested till they leave this world. Perfect hip scores, no recognition of any of this either.

Why on a live tv show such as Crufts should Caroline K run down puppy farms tell the general public not to buy from them or pet shops, or any outlets that could be selling these poor REGISTERED creatures, then still take the MONEY to register them in the first place,
Don't try and tell me she  and her staff can't find out where they are being bred before registering either, affixes addresses tel numbers.
Just push push for us all to be accredited, but still take the fees from puppy farm bred pups. I will never ever be dictated to by the kennel club, as  the most of us bred more litters perfectly, beautifully housed  with all our health test in date for new owners to see for them selves, with the mothers available to see, bla bla bla.
Why Should we be members of there accredited club.

Good post, the answer is KC & its saleried staff make money from areas of the UK dog trade regardless of whether or not good or appalling practices are involved.

Running down supposed practices makes the supposed 'bad practices' look like they are nothing to do with KCs' money making practices, the very naive might believe them, anyone with more than half a braincell ignores them.

'Lest We Forget'
https://vimeo.com/user24496447

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The breed standard is dictated by the breed clubs I believe, not the KC. Aim this at them. I do not agree with all that the KC do, but I believe they are trying to sort out health problems. However, they are still in it for the money.

The breed standard is dictated by the breed clubs I believe, not the KC

I 'guess' you mean on the european mainland, if so, as far as Dobes are concerned that is the case in most countries.

Regardless of which country, the breed championships are european wide, they are judged not on the country of origin of the individual dog, only on the dog. The first thing they would aim for is the national championships, if they manage that then the champion titles become 'international' champ through to 'world champ.

No dobe is permitted to be shown in those shows unless the hips are given a non dysplastic score. On top of those titles dobes can also compete in Sch & IPO, many hold 2 titles.

The shows ARE NOT based on the looks of the dog, they are to do with conformations & other things.

As far as the national kennel clubs go, they are classed as fun/hobby type shows, any titles given by the German KC do count at all towards the national or international breed championships.
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Just to add to the above - the german Dobe site below gives a small but reasonable description in english of some of the testing before the dogs get a 'fit for purpose' breeding license.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.gerdautal.de/&prev=search
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You have gone off subject, this is about good old fashioned breeders being criticised by the kennel club who still register the puppies from puppy farms and then tell you not to buy them, only buy from ABS breeders, Well until the KC stop registering them, the pet buyers are always going to buy them as they ARE  ' KENNEL CLUB' registered, so the pet folk think they are ok to buy these poor creatures.
Caroline Kisko is such a hypocrite, to say this all on the TV last week on the Crufts show, is just so awful, I hear that there is a petition to get her to apoligise, I just wish that there was another way we could reg and sell our health tested pups that are spare after at litter has been bred, but that would be able to go to shows too. This KC is far to big now to be interested in anything other than making money, and if we didn't breed and register as many pups as we do, there would be no KC

The Kennel club stated some time ago that the vast majority of people who register puppies register less 5than one litter a year.

So surely it must be easy to identify the ones who breed more?

They do at least ask to see the licenses for the ones who breed five or more.

Real puppy farme3rs more often don't register or use the alternative mickey mouse registries as their actions are too transparent and traceable through KC records.

> This KC is far to big now to be interested in anything other than making money, and if we didn't breed and register as many pups as we do, there would be no KC

Do you personally breed and register pups with the KC?

Why do you ask

I was just wondering if you breed and register pups with an organisation that you don't hold in very high esteem. I agree that the general public don't always realise that KC registration just means that both parents are themselves registered with the KC and that registration doesn't necessarily mean that one is purchasing a good quality pup that has come from a responsible, ethical breeder but I also find it odd that people can be so dead against an organisation but continue to use them for those purposes that suit them.

I have no idea if you breed or not - I don't - so that's why I asked the question. Hypocrisy can come in many different forms and I am sure the majority of us have all come under that banner at some time or another

unfortunately if you show dogs you have to use them to reg pups for the show ring, no way round this, if there was millions of us would I assure you

> <br />Real puppy farme3rs more often don't register or use the alternative mickey mouse registries as their actions are too transparent and traceable through KC records

They also breed a litter - of say 5 - then register 10 pups being born - 5 never exist but they have the KC papers for - then say all those fake 5 are down bitches - then they register a litter for each of those fake bitches - all looks ok - all pups and parents seem to have papers but really instead of 5 bitches doing litters - they don't exist and it is one poor bitch doing a litter every season......

I personally think anyone breeding enough to need a licence should have to confirm parentage of a litter by DNA in order to register them.

I live next door to a puppy farm. I KNOW it has been reported numerous times to KC - I have spoken to people who have visited (and walked away once discovering what it is!) that have subsequently reported this place. The owner over breeds her dogs, and openly admits that her KC dogs are crossed every other litter to allow her to sell more than the 4 permitted from each bitch. Bitches are bred from under a year old (on their first season). The KC have been given evidence of ALL this, and their reply......? "We don't get involved with breeding".... Hmmmm, ok then!

They are right in that they can do nothing about how the person breeds and it is the Local council that needs to be informed. 

Sadly all they will do is License her more than likely, if she isn't already.

Of course the Kennel Club  could suspend her registration privileges, but often the evidence is lacking.  People may be reporting her, but what evidence have they been sent to show that bitches have been bred from too often.  I have yet to see a puppy farmers or BYB name the parents in adverts, so there is no proof.

Now if someone kept up with any advertising that proved there were more than 4 litters bred annually then you would have evidence for the LA to show she should be Licensed.

It would not stop her breeding only not being able to sell the pups would do that and sadly people will always buy it seems, no matter how bad the breeder.

Reporting to RSPCA again will only work if there is demonstrable cruelty, no shelter food or water.

PUPPY FARMING IS NOT ILEGAL, only unlicensed puppy farming is.  Once they pay their dues to the council they are free to continue, with the benefit of stating they are licensed breeders which naively the public will think is a good thing.