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Poll How many of the conditions listed in the KC document do you test your main breed for ? (Closed)
None 0 0%
Some 4 21%
All 4 21%
All and More 9 47%
Some plus others 2 11%
- By MarkR Date 03.03.15 08:28 UTC
The KC have published a list of worldwide health tests

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/media/14688/dnatestsworldwide.pdf

It appears to be fairly comprehensive, however I am sure for some breeds there are still tests that are missing.

For example I think they test for elbows in Large Munsterlanders. Is there a test missing for your breed ?
- By manimag [gb] Date 03.03.15 17:31 UTC
Hello everyone  I have just been told by my vet's receptionist that I have to take my 9 month retriever to see the vet at 6 monthly intervals to get a prescription for Advocat at a cost of £40 + the cost of the drug. I can't understand why I have to take a fit and healthy dog to the vet when she isn't ill just to get a wormer and flea preventer. Has anyone else come across this?  If it is the case can anyone advise what alternative non prescription medications there are I could use instead? Thanks
- By MarkR Date 03.03.15 08:57 UTC Edited 03.03.15 09:00 UTC
If you have voted "All and More" in the poll could you please add the additional tests to this thread.

Thanks
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 03.03.15 09:04 UTC Edited 03.03.15 09:10 UTC
It's already out of date; the KC now (it started about a month or so ago) records BAER results for dalmatians. (There's a backlog of over 10,000 from the past 20 years for them to work through, so it's going to take a while before they all show!)
- By suejaw Date 03.03.15 09:12 UTC
Well for Rottweilers it's bringing up tests which aren't even mentioned by the breed clubs like coat colour, DM and Bobtail. I've posted it to the breed health page to see if anyone can enlighten me on those tests and if it's something we should be doing.
I do hip and elbow scoring, eye testing, heart testing which isn't on there as the breed can suffer from AS and also coat length:
So I do most and more in this case.
- By MarkR Date 03.03.15 09:20 UTC
Thanks Sue. I have added another option to the poll so you can vote.
- By tooolz Date 03.03.15 09:24 UTC
No official scheme in CKCS  for patellas but I have an ortho vet certify them before breeding.
- By MarkR Date 03.03.15 09:40 UTC
Toolz do you test for Phosphofructokinase (PFK) Deficiency ?

It is listed on the KC document but vetgen doesn't list your breed and I can't see it mentioned on the Cavalier Health Website. Mind you there are so many conditions listed on that site you can't see the wood for the trees !
- By Lily Mc [gb] Date 03.03.15 10:02 UTC
Voted 'some'.

Various of the conditions listed on the KC sheet are not found in my breed in the UK unless there are American lines mixed in, which I do not have in my dogs. It would be a holy waste of money if people blindly followed that sheet in stock of pure UK lines.

Conversely, for balance, there is one condition (CEA/CH) that I know my breed absolutely WOULD test as affected for unless it had American lines mixed in, so again there would be no point testing. The UK population is clinically tested, and very many test as clinically clear at very young ages, but still test as affected genetically.
- By triona [gb] Date 03.03.15 10:08 UTC
Bullmastiff-

Standard-
Hip
elbow

Extra-
Breed specific (PRA Dominant )
Hyperuricosuria/ Urate Stones (HUU, SLC)
Heart
BVA Eye test
- By MarkR Date 03.03.15 10:43 UTC
I am surprised by the results of the poll so far (even though not many people have voted).

Even though the list looks pretty comprehensive over 60% of you do all the tests listed for your breed and then some. Fair play to you !

I am aware of the benefits of the health tests, but what is the purpose of the tests that relate to coat length and colour etc ?

Why do you do those tests for your dogs ?
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 03.03.15 11:05 UTC
The coat colour and length tests are the ones I don't do. I also haven't tested for hyperurcosuria because none of mine are from the backcross programme, so no need to test for it.
- By chaumsong Date 03.03.15 11:25 UTC
Disappointed to see the KC are still not recommending DM testing for borzois, my last zoi died of it and the ISWS supported a mass testing of every silken for it, thankfully they were all clear so we know for sure no silken will ever get DM. Not so with borzois though, with only the odd breeder testing, I think they expect them to die before it becomes a problem :sad:
- By Goldmali Date 03.03.15 11:56 UTC
Well I don't get it. Under my breed it is mentioned, among colour, coat length etc, "Lighter coat colour", saying Antagene would test for it. I wanted to look into that -could they actually DNA test for Grey carriers? (I have Greys, which in Malinois is almost non existent these days, and knowing for sure which of my dogs carry it would be very useful). Then when I went to the lab website it doesn't mention anything about it for the breed. Weird.
- By suejaw Date 03.03.15 12:18 UTC
Coat length because many are now carriers and thus two carriers produce a long coat which is not part of the breed standard and hoping it won't ever be. By knowing what you have hopefully people will make an informed decision, some litters have be born where all were long coats, not great if you want to carry on your line
- By JoStockbridge [gb] Date 03.03.15 12:54 UTC
The only health test they have listed for vallhunds is hip scoring, colour and coat length has nothing to do with health and can be done for any dog so don't know why they are listing them.

I hip score and eye test. Don't need Bob tail test as mine has no tail.
- By tinar Date 03.03.15 13:00 UTC Upvotes 1

> Disappointed to see the KC are still not recommending DM testing for borzois, my last zoi died of it and the ISWS supported a mass testing of every silken for it, thankfully they were all clear so we know for sure no silken will ever get DM. Not so with borzois though, with only the odd breeder testing, I think they expect them to die before it becomes a problem <img title="sad" class="fsm fsm_sad" alt=":sad:" src="/images/epx.png" />


Agree with you - DM seems to be a much under-estimated disease. There are around 56 breeds on that list where DM testing is available - but only 3 where it is ABS requirement or KC recorded.  I think they feel the disease isn't prevalent enough to make it a requirement for many breeds - though the fact that it cant be diagnosed for certain except by autopsy (which many owners would be unlikely to opt to have that done) and add to that the fact that a DM dog may well actually die of something else such as cancer before the DM progressed to the stage of a ending a life, and you have flawed statistics and a KC that doesn't list the tests often as a requirement. I, like you, have had a dog with the disease & am always disappointed to see that the KC aren't recommending the testing for it in more breeds.
- By tooolz Date 03.03.15 13:24 UTC Edited 03.03.15 13:30 UTC
No not PFK ...no point ,I've never seen or heard of a single case, no one has.
Seems  to be a Springer thing and any cases are bound to be due to mixing Welsh Springers in to increase litter size..old puppy farmer trick.
No point doing coat test..at all.
- By triona [gb] Date 03.03.15 14:29 UTC Edited 03.03.15 14:32 UTC
We don't test for coat colour, legnth or masking gene as I'd rather put money towards a genetic test that would improve the welfare and health of the breed rather than its cosmetic look.

Plus long hair is really very very rare (iv never seen one produced in the UK) and the mask/ Dudley isn't higly common eaither though it does turn up time to time.

Edit to say I'd only test for the masking gene if I had a very very dark brindle where you couldn't tell If the dog had a 'true' mask.
- By JoStockbridge [gb] Date 03.03.15 18:09 UTC
Manimag, you vet should just give you the stuff without having to see your dog every time all my vets do I just have to tell them her weight, if not pets at home sell advantage, frountline, drontal ect
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