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I would like some advise please, we decided to have a litter from our fawn pug we found a top breeder/owner of pugs in our local area no expense spare in every part of breeding our girl.

We had her successfully mated and found out she was having one pup. unfortunately the pup was still born. A day later i informed the breeder of this and she was sad about what happened.

I have now gathered myself from a sad event and would like to know would a breeder/stud owner offer for another mating due to the events that happend or just say " are well it was bad luck if you want another mating in the future its £xxx"

if it was myself as the stud owner i would happily offer to bring the bitch back to me for a free mating or is that me being too nice???

Thanks for looking at my post and your thoughts would be valued

im sorry to hear what happened. i personally would offer a free mating next time, yes it is unfortunatley one of those things that can happen, but would like to think that any stud owner would offer a free return in those situations.

A day later i informed the breeder of this and she was sad about what happened.

This was the perfect opportunity for the stud dog owner to have offered another mating, but it appears that did not happen? It is down to each stud dog owner how they work.

These things are generally discussed prior to mating and most stud dog owners will offer two or three chances to make pups happen, alas here a pup did happen, in all respects the service of the dog went to plan the sperm made a pup and was paid for, the stud dog owner may well now feel that the fee is fulfilled, (and to be honest it was) unfortunately the pup was still-born (did resuscitation take place, often pups can be brought back?)

So, as much as many stud dog owners under the circumstances would feel upset and wish to offer another mating free, it is entirely down to that stud dog owner and it is not necessarily mean if this one says no....as a pup was produced, as sadly as this one went.

All you can do is talk to yours (nicely) and if they do not wish to offer a free service again (and I would also understand that) perhaps you can try to ask if they would be willing to give a small discount?  If not, I guess you will have to pay again.

Just be polite and see what happens.

What was the stud agreement? Did they mention what would happen if no live puppies?

If it was me I'd offer a free repeat treating it as if she hadn't gotten pregnant. But they don't have to so best to just give them a call and see where they stand on it.

I think you're just going to have to bite the bullet and ask. It may be that she felt , with what happened, that the last thing you wanted to discuss was mating your girl again when you told her.

First of all I'm sorry to hear of your experience. Devastating all round.
Yes generally something that you should discuss before the event but obviously that is easy to say now.
I'd go back to her and ask as they may well be kind and give another mating. I've never owned a stud dog but that is what I would do.
It might depend on how commercial/what you relationship is.
If you try again with this breeder or another, do you know what went wrong with the pup this time.
Best of luck I the future. I've been scanned saying a small litter where normally larger litter in the breed and I am very worried about that.

we decided to have a litter from our fawn pug we found a top breeder/owner of pugs in our local area no expense spare in every part of breeding our girl.

You were very lucky to find the most suitable dog locally -for most of us getting a mating involves car journeys of many, many hours. The shortest I've ever had is 2 and half hours, that I considered to be local. So in that sense you will at least have saved a not inconsiderable amount of money in petrol costs. It's very sad to end up with no live pups -I have been through that and know how awful it is, especially for the bitch. Did you have the bitch scanned and so did you know there was just the one single pup? It's not at all uncommon for singletons not to be able to be born naturally, so if you do decide to try again and if you find it is just a single pup again, you may need to plan a c-section. This is why I always have in whelp bitches scanned -not so much to confirm pregnancy but to ensure there are more than one pup, to be able to be prepared for the problems that one pup often will entail.

Most stud dog owners would in a situation like this offer a free repeat mating, but as your bitch did get pregnant the stud dog did his job and there is nothing to say they HAD to to offer another mating, even if it would be the decent thing to do. Like others have said, it's something to be discussed in advance. You are talking about a popular breed, there should be no shortage of fully health tested, good quality dogs standing at stud, so if you contact other dog owners discuss everything before making a decision -and don't limit yourself to one area of the country.

Thanks to everyone who replied to my ad.

I will have  to ask her the question ie free or discounted mating next time. We had her scanned twice once from a breeder friend at 28 days and then again by our vet around 2 weeks before she was due but on both occasions they would not confirm numbers only that she was in pup. Which i understand as they do not want to give a number in case they are incorrect.

She did self whelp and tried and tried to save her pup but with no luck its been 10 days now and she is starting to feel better within herself which is our main focus.

I am not a "breeder" so excuse for for asking this but will she have to wait 6 or 12 months to try again?

We had her scanned twice once from a breeder friend at 28 days and then again by our vet around 2 weeks before she was due but on both occasions they would not confirm numbers only that she was in pup. Which i understand as they do not want to give a number in case they are incorrect.

I'm surprised at that. Yes, not many will tell you numbers as yes, most are wrong, but to not be able to tell if there is one or more than one, that I consider to be poor. It's the major reason for scanning. As long as I know there are at least 2 pups I don't mind if it is 2 or 12 -my present vet is good at estimating numbers but I have had ones in the past that were terrible. But we always ask for reassurances that there are more than one, and everyone has been happy to do so.

She did self whelp and tried and tried to save her pup but with no luck its been 10 days now and she is starting to feel better within herself which is our main focus.

I am not a "breeder" so excuse for for asking this but will she have to wait 6 or 12 months to try again?

If she self whelped then I  wonder if it was inertia and you did not recognise it. I believe you have one of the most difficult breeds to whelp (also one where they are poor mothers), from what I have heard from others. If it was inertia, it's vital that you recognise it as otherwise you may have the same thing happen again. Not even all vets recognise it. A fit and healthy bitch that has given birth naturally to one single dead pup I would not worry about mating again at the next season BUT unless I was experienced in whelping a difficult breed I am not sure I'd want to risk putting my bitch through it again, to be honest. I have two breeds. I have bred animals all my life, starting with small ones and working up. I bred pedigree cats for 25 years. Yet I am finding one of my dog breeds is a lot lot LOT harder to breed than the other, to the extent that I don't feel like I want to continue with that one. I'd rather just have them for showing and pets in future. And I am not a novice dog breeder.

not inconsiderable amount of money in petrol costs.

Anyone doing more than a few miles (general opinion is more than 5,000) PA is better getting an LPG conversion, apparently the fitting of the systems can be quite crap, especially in the London area.....I got mine done by Proffess, appx 25 miles north of cardiff & its a second to non excellent fitting with a lifetime, Proffess are the only UK LPG installers ever to be recommended by the Lexus owners club & I never heard of anything ever going wrong with their instillations...the huge ++++++ is that LPG is now 55p & litre at most ASDA's which sell it & appx 60p at some shells, its also a greener fuel, cleaner on the engine & a bit less tax.
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and guess like with Diesel that used to always be cheaper than petrol until it got more popular with car drivers, watch LPG soar in price if a significant enough number of vehicles have it.

So sorry for your loss, my partner and I, he owns a couple of ftchs and myself goldens always offer a free re mating if there are two or less pups, my partner labs does if three or less. I do hope it works out for you xx

If it was me I would offer a free return, but you would have been better to get that decided at the time. All you can do is bite the bullet and ask about free / reduced fees.