Via Champdogs.....
"My name is  ****** I am a breeder and dog trainer of Golden Retrievers in the USA. We are very unique breeders because every one of our pups are extensively trained before going home. We have a lot of our clients that love not only Golden Retrievers but Cavalier King Charles Spaniels and my clients are willing to pay to have them fully trained. I'm interested in learning more. I understand the health tests that need to be done and definitely would continue that. Not only am I looking for the healthiest and most beautiful stock, I'm going to fully train them. I want the world's best and in my experience purchasing from Europe reaps better bloodlines than in the USA. I was hoping you would be willing to help me in my search for the right breeder."

I think for 'Cavalier' this person has substituted any breed and sent to many.

They won't be 'pups' by the time they are 'extensively'/'fully' trained :) :)

Weird -not had it, not yet anyway. But what is "fully trained" anyway?! To me no dog can ever be FULLY trained. Another money making scheme. House training and lead walking, sit and down and maybe that's enough to claim "fully trained"?!

A dog can be trained and obey one persons commands but not respond to someone else, especially if they are of an independent nature who can read a soft option.

Training is a team effort, between dog and owner.

There are companies that do it - uk, aus and usa (not that I agree with it)u

Ah but this is better...you get three levels of training up to 'Doggie Doctorate'

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They talk about successul showing, but they fail to point out that the AKC breed standard for Golden Retrievers says "Predominant body color which is either extremely pale or extremely dark is undesirable." so these dogs are unlikely to succeed.

Do you really want to advertise the site listed above? Posting links on this forum just gives them more publicity and improves their search engine rankings.

Please feel to delete all if you wish...I can't.

Woops - sorry JaneS - I didn't think of that - thanks for removing them :)

Haha very true Brainless, my hubby is always coming back from walks claiming my dogs don't know how to sit and wait for him to take a photo - but they can all do it in the rally ring! :-D

> my hubby is always coming back from walks claiming my dogs don't know how to sit

Training classes are to train the human how to train the dog. Perhaps your husband should take one of your dogs to classes :) :) If a dog does something that it shouldn't, it isn't that the dog is naughty, just that it hasn't been trained properly yet, or given the correct command, by the human :) :) :)

>difference between UK WHITE Golden Retrievers and AKC ones

Oh goodness me, I had no idea that UK dogs were so hard to get hold of because our strict quarantine laws restrict exports!

Funny how their imports come from more or less obscure countries -Latvia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia. Could the simple answer be that UK breeders did not agree to sell?

At sixteen weeks the pup is $6000
At six months with a 'doggy doctorate' the pup will cost $13,000......

He did with the first two dogs we got, but the Cavaliers are more mine than his, and he's not bothered about the training. I'm just pleased he enjoys taking them on nice long walks at the weekend, he's much fitter than me so can give them a good couple of hours walk at a decent pace, rather than me puffing along! :-D He just gets frustrated because the American cocker (who is his dog more than mine) automatically runs on ahead then pauses to look back, perfect for photos, whereas the Cavaliers either charge on ahead and then charge straight back again, or just potter along so only their bums and tails can be seen haha!

>Training classes are to train the human how to train the dog. Perhaps your husband should take one of your dogs to classes :-) :-) If a dog does something that it shouldn't, it isn't that the dog is naughty, just that it hasn't been trained properly yet

At sixteen weeks the pup is $6000
At six months with a 'doggy doctorate' the pup will cost $13,000......

Nice little earner.........especially considering that a Golden you can train with one hand tied behind your back and whilst watching telly. ;)

> a Golden you can train with one hand tied behind your back and whilst watching telly

And get the enjoyment of having done it yourself ! :)

Good grief, that is some site (and those are some prices!). Are people really that gullible?

I don't know what the site is but it sounds like a case we heard about recently, where my in laws neighbour paid a trainer £2k to decide on a breed, find a puppy and train it up to be fully housetrained and obey their commands, before it was delivered to their door. I don't know if they even knew what type of dog they were getting till it was delivered on the Saturday.

It was gone on the Monday - apparently it was too over active in their house. They remarked to my in laws that they might leave it till after xmas and then try a lab.

Furious is not the word! This is the same woman who got a cat, and then complained it left a dead animal on the doorstep and was not the cuddly companion she expected. However, I wonder how much blame should be on the trainer for offering this kind of service - and I wonder what he did with the poor dog after that :(

> However, I wonder how much blame should be on the trainer for offering this kind of service - and I wonder what he did with the poor dog after that :-("

In this case the blame is with the owners -  unrealistic expectations. Of course free roaming cats will bring "presents" home. And these people must be thinking you can buy affectionate, loving animals "off the shelf" like a sort of living Barbie doll - without understanding that it takes time, kindness and compassion to build up a bond. It just doesn't work like that.

If we stopped to really think just what is going on this Christmas with these poor animals......it would make us weep.

Another one jumping on the American puppy mill market me thinks. A fool and his money are easily parted especially if the yanks think they are getting something unique, they will pay $3,000 usd for a pup to go through a training programme until 16 weeks old !!!! If the pup is not sold at 16 weeks they add another $100 usd every week until it is. As I say if they think they are getting something unique they will pay through the nose. Shame on them