one of my bitches had pups 4 weeks ago a litter of 7-just started weaning them.on november 30 i had a another bitch (different breed) give birth to 8 pups in a secluded whalping area.she whelped 8 pups-one was still born so had 7.. 2 were very weak and passed on and she then ate another 2.she had calcium etc afterward but was very aggressive and in end rejected the other 3.so left with 3 pups decided to see if my other dog would take to them.she will happily feed them but im cleaning them etc.they are now a week old and doing really well.ive done at least 20 litters but never had this problem before.her maternal instinct may waver soon as even though shes feeding them gonna be anothe 2 weeks or so before can start weaning them and she still feeding the others 2 times a day and spending time with them.shall i put these puppies onto a bottle say at 2 weeks or try to keep feeding them off my other bitch for another 2 weeks.

You may be lucky and find your other bitch will stick with her extended job.   I hope so because clearly from your point of view, if not for the sake of these newborn puppies, it would be easier not to have to bottle those 3.   But if you feel having an extended nursing period (lactation) is pulling this bitch down (successfully rearing 7, quite a large litter for this breed?), then yes, you may have to consider bottling (or tube feeding) these poor babies.   Only you can see what's going on and whether this is viable.   Obviously you'll have to keep piling in a good quality diet if she's to continue providing enough for these babies.

Hopefully the second bitch will be spayed!!!!   What a little monster, much as obviously eating 2 should/could have been prevented?

Are you keeping the younger puppies separately to the others? If you have them set up in different whelping box then I would think you can largely be guided by the bitch, she will probably lose interest in her own pups when they get too rowdy and sharp-toothed but may continue to be happy to nurse the babies and if she is in good condition I would encourage it. For the sake of the bitches welfare though I would make sure the others are on solid food ASAP to help spread the burden for her.
I would be very reluctant to start bottle feeding when you have a milking bitch available, it will only be an extra couple of weeks until they are big enough to start weaning too. :-)

the second bitch is residing at my friends and is gonna be spayed and will got to a pet home.
my first bitch's pups are on mushed up food now and eating on their own now.mum goes into feed them and spend time with them 2 or 3 times a day but generally kicks them off now and tries to escape so gonna wind this down now over the week so they off her completley by 5 1/2 weeks.
i will leave the 3 foster pups on her then.she happily lies down to suckle them but thats it.i have to do the rest.she has plenty of milk and is in good bodily condition.shes up for spaying aswell as this is last time she been bred.

Sherriesmum, please can I remind you not to keep posting the names of your breeds - it's not relevant to this thread and is generally not permitted on this board unless breed specific advice is needed.

can u delete post please.admin.

The advice given to you could be useful to other visitors so threads are not usually deleted. I can close it for you if you no longer need advice?

sorry i made the error.if you wish close it or else leave it open.x.

> the second bitch is residing at my friends and is gonna be spayed and will got to a pet home.

That's a shame - the poor girl had a litter of puppies, was left on her own (presumably, or she wouldn't have been able to eat 2 of them) and then you're now going to rehome her.  Was she just a brood bitch for you then?

Poor bitch :(

I may have said this before but I do think that puppy buyers do well to investigate and question breeders just as much as good breeders expect to vet their potential puppy owners.  I want to see oldies still living at the breeders, these bitches (often well loved show girls as well as adored couch potatoes in their dotage) show the breeder in a very good light.

With regard to the foster question - my only experience with a foster bitch was that certainly in the early days the bitch would happily feed the pups but cleaning and toileting was definitely the 'human's' job!! 

If the bitch will feed them until their eyes open around 12 days, and they are gaining in the meantime then you can start early weaning by then. 

I have done this if the rate of weight gain has slowed down. 

I normally offer first weaning foods at 18 days, just a taste the first day then two the next until at three weeks they are taking something four times a day, and the amount will go with their needs, often very little until four weeks, but other litters take much more.

I feed pups to appetite always preparing more than they are likely to clear and let Mum clear up after.

That also encourages Mum to be interested in her pups.

I would allow her to visit her own pups and interact with them as she sees fit, after all they are her puppies and your job is the foster litter, which she is helping with.

Her pups need her interaction to learn how to be dogs, this is a very important stage so that pups will be well adjusted, when they go to their new homes, and is a stage that must not be skipped.  Even if the bitch appears to have little interest she will be vey aware if squabbles break out etc and keep things in order.

she wasnt left alone to whelp.i sat near her for over 15 hours.she dont belong to me she came to me to whelp as the owners were in hospital having an emergency operation.its a sahme things worked out the way they are.but now she has settled back down.she will not be bred from again.
as for the foster mum i have 4 pups left and foster mums pups have been weaned and foster bitch is happily nursing the survving pups as if they were her own.they are 3 weeks old this weekend.all have their eyes open now and are all looking very good condition and thriving.
i havent been out the house except for few hours a day since this bitch fostered the pups.i will start weaning them in a weeks time.

> the second bitch is residing at my friendny of mines and is gonna be spayed and will got to a pet home

OMG!  How disposable are bitches eh?  I have bitches who have never had pups (as they didn't reach expectations.)  But they are spayed and stay as "Aunties" I could never get rid of an adult.  If that means I can't keep any more dogs so be it.  I love my dogs too much to treat them as commodities.

That's why I will never be a major success in the ring with mine, as we keep what we keep (even if it doesn't reach potential) and there's a 6 dog limit here.