hi my dog has attacked other dogs big or small he doesnt care wot size an its gettin really frustrating...im just waitin on the latest vet bill...kids in my area open the gates an let the dogs out...my bitch comes back straight away but my dog (who is brilliant with ppl an kids) goes after 1st dog he sees...it'd probably be different if it was a bitch in heat he'd come across but so far its been all males...does anyone know how i can stop him doing this...i had to stop takin him walks coz of his behavour an i know thats not fair on him.

I can't really offer any advice on how to handle your dog but I will suggest you put a bolt and padlock on the inside of your gate as soon as possible - ie in the morning.

Regardless of who lets the dog out he's still your responsibility and if anyone complains to the police he could be held under the Dangerous Dogs Act and possibly even destroyed.

Hopefully someone else can offer more advice on actually dealing with your dog.

Good luck,

Fiona
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I live on an estate an no matter how many locks u put on a gate it can still be opened but for now i have him in a pen thats only really used for the bitch when she's in heat...he can stay in there but i am makin a point in gettin help for teachin him not to do it...i saw a program which showed a dog doin the exact same an they stopped it...hopefully it wont come to him being destroyed it wod break my heart!!!

A simple answer is to not leave him in the garden unattended surely!!If you can't stop the kids from letting him out then don't give them the oppotunity.
Regards Archer

Can you not go round to the *kids* houses and tell their parents? My back gate has a bolt on which is padlocked at all times- no *kid* could get that off;)

Stacey x x x

As Archer says, never let him out of your sight. He's either in the garden with you, or he's safe in the house. No other options.

Only take him out for walks wearing a basket muzzle, and consider getting him castrated.

You're the responsible person.

Is this your stud dog Linzi?

having been on the recieving end of a dog flying out of a driveway and attacking my dog -I can tell you it is a very frightening thing .Had I been a child with a dog I would have been dragged into the road and possibly killed .
it is your responsibility to ensure that your dog is secured and yours alone .
As for retraining him may be you should be looking around for a local trainer who can help
Liz :)

Steve i have takin him to classes an coz he misbehaved there had to put a stop to it but im supposed to be gettin lessons with him on my own...i wod never take him a walk on my own as i know if i came across another dog i wodnt be able to handle him...i know it is my responsibility an iv apologised to the owner of his latest victim...im just lookin for options on wot to do an if they dont work il have to consider gettin rid of him...however much it may kill me to do so...i know wot a danger he cod be!!!

Yes unfortunately he is my stud an its only since i've used him hes become like this...wod castrating him help? i had to get a cat castrated coz of his behavour an it didnt help at all...iv read on many websites that the males are bad with other dogs an his father an brothers are the same...his fathers an one of his brothers are champions...scooby is the best dog ever around kids an older ppl u codnt get a nicer dog he doesnt even fight back when one of my bitches take a nibble at him...its just other males,hopefully its just becoz my bitches are in heat!!!

Linzi
Looking at another of your posts --is he a Dobe ???
I have heard that some male Dobes are bad with other males ,maybe talk to some breeders and try the tardec injection to see if castrating him would help
Liz

I can't believe they(sire and brother) are as bad as your dog as to take your dog to a show your dog cannot be lunging at any dog that he sees.I was at a champ show on saturday and many of the adult males are stud dogs and are perfectly well behaved so this is not an excuse.
If your dog comes from a line of aggressive dogs that you say are passing on their aggression then you must not use him again so if for no other reason than to stop him producing I would have him castrated.
Above all you MUST stop this dog getting to others-apologising to the victims as you put it is not good enough.What if a child were on the end of the other dogs lead??This happened locally and the child was bitten trying to help her dog.
Archer.

Yes they are as bad..many dobes i have come across are bad towards other male dogs...the first incident happened wen a stray rottweiller approached us an growled...i thought he was just protectin us...my partner was with me so he was able to get him off the dog b4 much damage was done...the second was wen a alsation met us...he was fine til the alsation started to get nasty durin a rough play...but again no damage was done to the other dog (scooby only bit his own tongue) but the third incident i did not see i do not know wot happened to be able to determine if he was provoked or not...its still no excuse for it he has to learn...thanks for all the replies...those of u who told me not to beat myself up about it thanks but it takes a stern word to get ppl to listen an iv taken all steps necessary to keep him out of trouble an iv got a personal trainer from the local kennels...scooby is show material but il never show him...i have seen many bad behaved dogs at shows its just that they have owners that can keep them controlled...im 8st my dog is 6 stone hes a monster with a really big chest...one thing iv decided is "il never have another dobey dog again",not just coz of his behavour but coz of his hygiene too...hes house trained well he was until he started to lift his leg...bitches are much better my 2 an a half yr old bitch is a darling an her daughter who is 1 is turning out just the same...although they are a live wire up until they have pups.

2 an a half yr old bitch is a darling an her daughter who is 1 is turning out just the same...although they are a live wire up until they have pups.

WRONG!!! They are live wires until they mature physically and mentally, NOTuntil after they have pups.

If their "childhood" is taken away from them by their having pups too early or two frequently of course they will calm down .

Limited male to male agression in Dobermanns is not unusual but they should not go out of their way to find a fight and they should be quite safe in proximity to other dogs (at a show or when walking past other dogs) for instance. If yours is overly agressive then you are not doing the breed any favours by continuing this trait.

Would you like to let us know his pedigree name and your affix?

Christine

My dogs name is vanlinberg...my two bitches to me still are pups..they are my babies an are still very playful...but as pups they played rough an only after suzy had her litter of pups did i noticed she'd calmed down...probably by learning not to be rough with the pups...her childhood was not stolen from her she enjoyed every minute of her motherhood...as for tia she is same very very playful an rough in play...i do not intend takin a litter out of her for sumtime as i feel suzy was too young even though she was really big for her age but she was mainly my partners dog...im sorry i should have been more informative in the last post...my fault!!!

You say you've seen many badly behaved dogs at shows-I've yet to see one that lunges at any other dog of the same sex that it sees.Tension is often high between dogs of the same sex but it is not as violent as you describe your dog to be.No dog like yours could be benched safely and if someone tried I'm sure they would be asked to remove the offending dog from the show.
Archer

Well arnt i lucky i dont show scooby then...he is show material iv bin told by many showers but all i wanted was a pet an thats wot iv got...an pet who is brilliant around ppl an children he wodnt even hurt my cats or the 2 bitches he lives with. But ur all so quick to condemn him as a bad dog an a bad example of the breed...i bet if u only met him u wod change ur mind...maybe u should all try readin up on doberman dogs the brown an tan...HES A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE BREED!!! and many breeders agree...HE has proven to be a fast learner so i cant wait til he starts into training

I have to agree that castrating very rarely solves any major problems like this.
I had my BC castrated and he has a tendency to go for other dominant male dogs now, which he never did before the castrating!!
I think the best option in this case would be a remote control collar.
Or keep him on a long lead so you can correct him if he doesnt come back when you call. Or both ;)

I would have the dog castrated to stop any pups being sired by him-any other benefits would be a bonus!JMHO
Archer

Archer anyone who meets my dog wants pups that have come from him...i tell them yes he is bad with other males but they arnt interested in that...they love his temperament an yes he has bin screened for eyes hips etc...only thing that lets him down is the way he is with other dogs...wen i got him he met my older bitch...him an her were best buddies but as usual there came a time wen suzy showed him who was boss...he never fites back with suzy...tia the younger one will get a nibble an a growl but no damage...i thot maybe it was coz suzy was bad to him as a pup but she never actually hurt him...so iv come to the conclusion that his problem is with dogs

<<<only thing that lets him down is the way he is with other dogs>>>
There are many dogs out there with good confirmation,hips,eyes etc...AND good temperaments.
I would like to know if you will you use him on your bitches again??
Archer

Yes archer i will use him again...an a local doberman breeder wants to use him too...he has a great temperatment an anyone who knew about doberman dogs they should know that its normal that they dont get along with other dogs.

"anyone who knew about doberman dogs they should know that its normal that they dont get along with other dogs. "

UM, EXCUSE ME YOU !!!!!!!!! yes I DO mean to be shouting !!! How dare you say that when it's simply not true. I believe that SOME Dobermann males are tetchy with other Dobermann males but to say the above is NONSENSE !! My 16 month Dobe is fine with all other dogs and I don't think he's the miracle Dobe (not by a long shot !!!) Obviously, you know a lot about your dogs to have posted most of the nonsense you have on here. Now please get lost before I really loose my rag.

Beth

Go on dear lose ur rag...im only stating wot iv read on website an in books an wot dobey breeders have told me...maybe u should try abit of readin urself. Shout away I CANT HEAR YOU!!!

Wot is the remote collar iv never heard of it...i use a choke chain an short lead

Hi LinziLou

Some dogs who have been castrated for dog on dog aggression have shown little or no change. In others, their attitude has been completely transformed. So yes it may help. However, it's not a miracle cure and you'll have to work hard with him to change his behaviour.
Yes, it probably would indeed be different if he came across a bitch in heat - and their owners would be less than impressed. The bitch or the owner may not be able to deal with your dogs advances and the consequences could be as traumatising and damaging as a vicious attack on another male :(
Follow the advice you have been given about keeping your dog secure and unable to escape. I know you feel it unfair that you have stopped taking him walks but it is less fair on anyone else for him to be out when he is not under control. So don't beat yourself up about that because you are doing the right thing :)
There are several methods you can work with to try to sort out this problem but I don't feel that you can attempt this alone. A good behaviourist/trainer will need to supervise you as you do not feel you can control him yourself. I don't recommend that you go out and try remote collars unless you are under guidance from an expert who is present.
By your own admission you have a dog you cannot control who is likely to and already has caused injury to other dogs. If this dogs gets out again then it's down to YOU not whoever opens the gate and lets him out. So make sure from now on that it is YOU who does not leave him vulnerable to whoever is likely to provide his escape because it will be your fault.
Lets hope it's not all bad news. You have acknowledged that you have a problem and you are seeking help that's the first positive step. Secondly prevent any further opportunities for your dog to attack another by sorting out that gate! and thirdly get hold of that one to one tuition and see if you can turn this dog around.
I wish you luck :)
Lara

Hello,

i dont usually write on this board, just usually lurk and learn ;-) but in this case i felt i had to comment!

ok if your dog is attacking dogs when he is let out of the gate by "kids" then put a lock on so the "kids" cant open the gate, and also dont leave him unattended in the garden!

if you cant take him for walks because of his aggressive behaviour, it would probably be best to put a muzzle on him, and walk him where there are no other dogs, you could also try a gentle leader as this could help you control him when he lunges,

as you siad "i know what a danger he could be (to other dogs) " do you really think this is a good idea to breed from him?!??! especially if other realitives are showing the same traits, dobies are lovely dogs,and its people who breed them irrisponsibily that give the breed a bad name!

casterating probably wouldnt help, hes probably to set in his ways, although i would advise it so he cant be used as a stud dog again!

you have a mother and daughter aged two and one, so the mum was only one when she had puppies :-( and also dogs are not "live wires" until thay have pups, they will be like that until they mature!

as you say suzy may not have had her childhood taken away by having pups, she enjoyed it, that is a mothering instinct that most dogs of any age will show when she has pups, but do you really think it is good for her to have a litter at that age? both physically and mentally?!

"Archer anyone who meets my dog wants pups that have come from him...i tell them yes he is bad with other males but they arnt interested in that..." well then they wont be responsible dog owners who have the intrests of such a lovely breed at heart will they?

sorry to go on! :-)

Vikki xxxxx

Yes i agree with everythin u say but as i have stated many many times b4 suzy is not my dog she is my partners i only look advice she was nearly 2 wen she had her litter...an my gate was locked i still have not yet figured out how they opened it...but i got scooby from a well recognised breeder an shower...jsut coz he attacks dogs doesnot mean he is bad an certainly does not mean his pups will turn out the same...doberman are protectors...he may have bin protectin his bitches from other males as one of them are in heat...other times its happened was wen we were approached by growlin dogs. wot does that tell u...hes lookin after us all!!!

Your best bet would be to get a slide bolt that'll take a padlock. It'll cost you about £30 from somewhere like B&Q for a hefty lock and bolt although you could get what you need for about £20.

I've got a hefty bolt and padlock on my back gate and the gate is perfectly secure and can't be opened without a key.

Fiona
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Thanx Fiona iv got him in a pen at mo...til gate is sorted out...it has a padlock an all on it...turns out a bolt was lose from workmen workin at the fences before so they're comin to fix it again

Maybe I've misunderstood this but you said maybe Scooby was protecting one of the bitches when she was in heat. Surely if you don't want your bitch to get pregnant you have to keep her away from possible contact with other dogs, inc Scooby. Did Scooby attack the other dogs when you were out walking him or was it when he escaped from the garden? And if he can escape what's stopping the bitches getting out or other dogs getting in?

Tia has swollen up but hasnt started bleedin yet scooby doesnt appear to be showin any interest in her so i know shes not ready...whereas Suzy was usin the pen as she is bleedin but iv had to put scooby in the pen an bring suzy in to bleed all over my kitchen til the other pen is finished...suzy an tia wont leave the garden neither did scooby until that day of the attack which was just outside the gate so the other dog who was from other side of estate had probably travelled over to see if he cod get a treat.

My dog was fine until he was attacked by 2 male German Pointers, he since that day has been aggressive towards male dogs that are the same size or large than him, he is great with all other dogs including small males (my mum has two whole dogs and they are fine together). He was castrated when he was 2 yrs, and to be honest his behaviour towards other males has not changed, as it is learnt behaviour and not hormonal.

I too have taken him to behaviour classes and I've had to remove him as he and 2 other large males all started to get aggressive towards one another (I am too waiting for private sessions with the trainer). The trainer said that it seems like this is him, he too had a dog that did not like other male dogs and there was nothing you could do, apart from make sure you never put yourself, your dog, or other people in the situation where it could turn nasty!

Yes i have taken steps to insurin it doesnt happen again...he doesnt like it but its tuff for him...hes a really smart dog an knows he does wrong but doesnt seem to want to change...he probably thot he was supposed to protect tia...the other dog is fine just a little shaken...i never got to see it...i have a muzzle for him but its material sortof an he was still able to nibble my hand for a bikkie so im gonna get a cage one as suggested...i have an extractin lead but i dont think its a gd idea usin it with him...now he only goes a walk with me a nmy partner late at nite as there is nowhere near here that no dogs are gonna be about...he doesnt like bein on the lead all the time but safety comes first!!!

Sorry Linzilou you probably won't like what I'm going to say but nothing you have said here shows me that you have any control over these dogs or that you should have them. It doesn't matter how nice a dog looks - if he behaves in this way and you cannot control him - he is not a good specimin of the breed and should not be bred from. If you can't keep him safe and protect others from his attacks then he should be rehomed with someone who can. He does not seem to have the right kind of environment with you to give him the kind of life he needs. I also find it hard to believe that he behaves so badly at shows too without someone getting really angry - I know I would.

To be kind to him and protect others around you I think he should be rehomed with someone with time, space and the knowledge.

Sorry - but that's my view.

Pam n the boys

Firstly scooby has never bin to a show an i never said he had so maybe u should read more carefully.
Secondly my dog has only attacked wen provoked.
Thirdly Who made you God to say who should have wot kind of dog...i already stated he goes for walks wen my partner is with me...but the trouble with the ppl on this website is they are to quick to judge instead of finding out more facts

Quote <<he goes after the first dog he sees>>(your initial post) ....so how come now you say he only attacks when provoked???
Archer

ok i may have exaggerated abit there...i have only seen 2 of the attacks wen we were approached by growlin dogs,one of which had biten a child previously, the latest i did not see but the dog was not badly hurt...scooby seems to come off the worst (even against a jack russell)

How many dogs have you got in total inc your partner's? Is Scooby the father of your youngest bitch? If so please tell me that you're not going to mate the two of them!

Hi jill me an my partner have 3 dogs...tia's father was an older dog sol, no scooby isnt her father i wod never mate so close myself an after all the replies iv got im gonna make sure my partner gets info on any dog he ever intends to mate his bitch with altho i think he will be usin scooby again as pups turned out really good...only our bitches are related!!!

Only seen two attacks! How many attacks have there been?

The most important quality a dog needs to possess is temperament. Without that, however pretty the dog, you have nothing! Believe me, if your dog had attacked mine then your dog WOULD have been PTS by now and I can't help wondering how it had escaped the DDA until now.

John

My dog has attacked 3 dogs 2 of which were strays...i know that doesnt make it any better...an my dogs temperament is brilliant...he is great with ppl an here thats all that counts, same goes for dog shows here an i never said my dog was pretty he is a handsome dog but not everybody has same taste as me i was merely sayin that onlookers liked his temperament...i thot i was gonna have a vet bill after last attack but apparently not. So scooby doesnt do damage...he has always come off the worst...either my get a nibble on the paw or biting his own tongue

Hi, with the lack of control you say you have of your dog you should walk him with a correct fitting muzzle. You need to go and see your vet with all the information and he may give you a referal to known and reputable behavourist who may indeed use a Master Plus gas collar to stop his aggression. His attacks may or may not be testosterone based so your vet may administer a hormone to simulate castration and see if there is any improvement. If you have a good pet plan insurance you will probably be covered for his fees except for the first £40.

Under the dangerouse dogs act anyone only needs to feel apprehensive of your dog (it need never have attacked) to be refereed to the Police and have a order placed on your dog. From what you say you must have a lot of people who are apprehensive of your dog that are living around you.

I never said anythin about ppl bein apprehensive of my dog...the ppl around me especially kids can hang from my dogs neck an he'll not do a thing he loves kids an men who can have a carry on with him...no human has actually complained about him only one guy came an said he'd got out an that he was scuffling with a small dog...when my partner got him he was in own his own...wen i went to the man who owned the dog that had the scuffle with my dog he looked at me surprised an said no he wasnt hurt