Had a lovely comment about my bitch at Thetford today from the judge and wondered if open shows publish results and critiques anywhere? Thanks

Judges are contract to submit a written critique to at least one of the weekly dog press. This is either or quite often both Dog World  & Our Dogs.
It can take a random amount of time to appear, with Championship shows tending to be a bit quicker. I usually say start looking at 4 weeks from the date of the show but more often 2 months.
Just to give you an idea how late they can be, in this weeks Our dogs is one from Crufts, which was 5 months ago!!!

Thanks for that, would be lovely to see what she wrote about her. I get Dog World regularly, will have to find so done that stocks our dogs.

If you get Dog World that 'should' be ok, as the judge may send to both papers. It is so easy to email these days & I always cc both papers. It will be expensive to have both papers but that is your choice. :)

What show was it and what judge? Some judges are also posting on a FB page

It was Thetford and district open show and the judge was Pamela Jeans-Brown.

It should be in the paper in a couple of months, you could join the facebook page to see if they print them there faster. Papers only print 1st places though - I too got some lovely remarks about my older girl yesterday at Thetford who got 2nd in a strong Open class at nearly 10 years old, but alas I'll never see them in print - still lovely of the judge to make the effort to comment, in fact she commented or gave handling advice afterwards for many of the dogs, time spent above and beyond when judging in that weather quite frankly!!

That's a shame as we got 2nd place too.  Well done for your 2nd place :). They were brilliant yesterday considering the weather. Our judge was the same, spent time talking to me afterwards as it's only our 2nd show and the first time we've been under a judge that specifically judges dogue de bordeaux.  The last show I went to the judge wasn't familiar with the breed and told me to get her head up on the move.  We did get first though so be interested to see what she writes! Yesterday's judge said she moved perfectly and head was supposed to be lower than her shoulders, also said she was a cracking bitch and it was a very hard choice between 1st and 2nd. Shame it won't make the paper!

Some papers and judges do 2nd place at open shows. I've got a few through our dogs paper

Great thanks, I've ordered it through my newsagent so will keep a look out.

DW now also print second place for opens if the judge submits them - recently updated their policy :)

Oh that is good news, hope to see some more critiques being done then.. Not that I'm showing right now :-)

Do the judges put reports on a certain Facebook page or under the show's own F/B page (if they have one)?

I have been waiting for southampton and Poole report, both shows were in June. I did contact the secretary of Southampton who chased the judge up and he sent apologies but was still working on them, this was only a week ago so its a long time to be working on reports but I guess its busy with shows and if you are judging at a few then these things take time. I am impatient though, I paid my money for someones opinion and expect to read it within a reasonable time scale.

I know show secretaries have so much work to do but I wonder if after a month of the show they did phone calls or emails to the judges checking if critiques had been submitted as per contract. I can hear all secretaries shouting at this post now!!!

there is a FB page uk show critiques BUT NOT ALL judges put on there - I agree its so disappointing when a judge doesn't submit or in a timely manner - some society's do put on their fb page but only if the judge sends to them.

So frustrating for us when we pay our money for a judges opinion you get a good result and the judge can't be bothered.

Having a lot of judging appts and too busy isn't an excuse IMO - you shouldn't take on so many if you can't keep up - I know that things might happen unexpectedly.

No I don't think its fair to put the pressure on the show secretary but if they are aware they can remember and not invite them to judge again!

Well at least your secretary chased the judge up, I never find the secretary is remotely interested when I've asked them to chase. Still waiting for critiques for Cavaliers and AV Toy (mother and daughter judges) at Suffolk Agri where both my girls won both their classes, and the younger dog hasn't won so many classes that I'm not bothered about two critiques I would have hugely enjoyed reading. Found one of the judges on fb and sent an extremely polite message saying the paper may have lost the critiques and would she mind sending a copy, and got no response at all. Left message for the secretary on the society's fb group and again nothing. :-(

I have to say that the judge from June gets a black mark. Unless there are extenuating circumstances(sickness, family bereavement or suchlike), a month is long enough to get one done by. I hate doing critiques but if I want to judge I have to do them! I was really good for my most recent appointment & had it sent to papers a week after the show(14 july). We will see how long it takes to get in the paper.

It isnt fair to put yet another thing onto the secretary of a club, they really do have enough to do! The onus is on the judge, as it is part of their contract!!!

In one respect, you do have the judges opinion in your placing, if you were 2nd, yours wasnt as good as 1 but better than 3 & so on down the line....in their opinion. I do realise what your meaning, it is nice to see it in writting as judges arent allowed to critique verbally(unless its after all their judging is complete).

(Just tagging on to end, not replying to anyone in particular).
I find the FB page is well worth being a member of. Yes far from all judges publish their critiques there, but when they do, it is great. I showed at Bournemouth on Sunday and by the very next day had our critiques via FB!!

Still waiting on our critique from Crufts, judge wrote screeds about us and the class winner but so far nothing. Just hoping it has not been in our Dogs as we get DW. Gamekeepers classes (dogs) as I know FCR classes were in quick.

well I have asked to join the uk show critiques on F/B and another called show critiques (something like that) hope to see my poole or southampton one on there!!! I might even find the one from end of december at wealdstone and Northolt

I know show secretaries are busy and shouldn't have to chase judges but they make the contract with the judge and we are the paying exhibitors so perhaps they should be the ones chasing up the judges and reminding them of what they signed up to. The same as an employer would to an employee that didn't stick to their contract.
we have paid our money to the canine society putting the show on, not the judge.

Another way is if you are fortunate to get a critique then have your email address written down and hand to the judge directly and ask for it to be emailed to you!! too cheeky perhaps?
 

>It isnt fair to put yet another thing onto the secretary of a club, they really do have enough to do! The onus is on the judge, as it is part of their contract!!!<br />

So how do you progress things if a judge does not submit a critique? I would have thought that it would be the secretary who needs to chase it. We cant chase the judge direct and I thought the secretary was the main contact for the show?

>> It isnt fair to put yet another thing onto the secretary of a club, they really do have enough to do! The onus is on the judge, as it is part of their contract!!!<br />
> So how do you progress things if a judge does not submit a critique? I would have thought that it would be the secretary who needs to chase it. We cant chase the judge direct and I thought the secretary was the main contact for the show?

I was referring to the post which included the secretary contacting all the judges after a month to see if they submitted or not. Of course they(secretary) are to be contacted once a certain amount of time has lapsed & no critique has appeared, this is what is correct procedure. This would be only be a very small amount to 'chase' & hopefully none...there can be a large number of judges to contact, especially at a general champ show, if they had to do them all, as another postee suggested!!!

I've been chasing a critique from a ch show for nearly 2yrs now. I started with the show secretary, contacted my breed club and nothing. So went to the KC who have been chasing and still nothing. Got the judges email address and contacted direct who said give me my dogs details and he'd do it, nothing.
Just this week chased the KC again as I understand he has another ch show appointment.

That's shameful on the judge especially when there has been quite a lot been written recently about judges and their critiques.
Be interesting to see if does a report for the up and coming show.
I suspect he's probably lost his notes he wrote at the show from 2yrs ago!

Pam is pretty diligent re Critiques so you should be OK with Dog World.

I stopped taking either of the two dog papers some years ago now but when I was, I found DW could be a tad naughty and only put the Champ show critiques up during the height of the show season within a reasonable time frame.   The Open shows were 'fitted in' as and when.   And some judges were better at fulfilling their contracts than others - they should submit a critique.   I sent mine to both papers (but only subscribed to Dog World).   You should see a critique, eventually!!

Don't hang everything on what a judge says though - how many times have I read a critique which seems to be repeating the Breed Standard (unlikely - no dog is THAT perfect  LOL).   And always remember you bring the best dog home with you in any case.   Judging is subjective although a good one should be useful in pointing out what you need to improve on (Breeding and Handling), not just flowery words.

I stopped taking either of the two dog papers some years ago now but when I was, I found DW could be a tad naughty and only put the Champ show critiques up during the height of the show season within a reasonable time frame. 

Not to mention that they edit their critiques, whereas OD does not, and OD allows for more placings to be critiqued.

He's been chased for the past 2 years and I started chasing a few months after the show. We had one judge who's dictaphone which stopped working, while only critiques for the CC winners, she gave a huge preamble and covered what had happened. So really to submit absolutely nothing is no excuse. When I emailed him directly he said he'd send it if I sent details of my girl, I did as requested and got nothing back. What I find Moët frustrating is that he really liked my girl and he was also a lovely judge too...

We are still waiting for a judge who we had last year. He did pugs same day and sent theirs in within a week, when I contacted him he said oh has it not been published told him no then he ignored any further contact. I feel because we åre a minority breed we don't get the same consideration as big breeds. Same goes for the papers they never seem to rush to print the japs critiques.

Having shown cats before showing dogs and been able to collect all of my cat's critiques,  I'm appalled at how few of my dog's critiques have ever been writtten/published.   About 3/4 of my first bitch's critiques including cc's,   rcc's,  and bob critiques.    1/2 of my second bitch's critiques -  including rcc's,  cc's,  bis etc.   And only 1 of my youngest bitch's critiques!

It's an absolute disgrace.

Having shown cats before showing dogs and been able to collect all of my cat's critiques,  I'm appalled at how few of my dog's critiques have ever been writtten/published.

I suppose the difference is cat critiques have to be published -and does not involve anyone buying a paper, either, but only championship show dog critiques have to be done, Open shows there is no obligation for.

My breed club will take it seriously if a breed specialist does not produce a report for a championship show, and so I have in the past reported a judge to them for not submitting one. Might be worth checking with your breed club if they can put any pressure on. Mine said they will not let a judge remain on the club list of specialists if they do not send off critiques.

> I was really good for my most recent appointment & had it sent to papers a week after the show(14 july). We will see how long it takes to get in the paper.
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Rottieseth ~ Just thought you might like to know, my critique took 3.5 weeks, from when I sent it, to appear in Our Dogs. :)

>Just thought you might like to know, my critique took 3.5 weeks, from when I sent it, to appear in Our Dogs

Would any show secretaries or judges be interested in a Judging Section being created on the main Champdogs site ?

Judges could add their details and then be able to be found by show secretaries.
Judges would be able to upload their critiques and they would be published within hours :)

We could do all sorts of clever things like linking the critiques to dogs and show results on the site.

If you think it is a good idea, tell me what you would like to see in the section.

> Judges would be able to upload their critiques and they would be published within hours :-)
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Judges have to still submit to dog papers, as per KC rules. I know a recent announcement was made by KC, reminding judges of this who were mistakingly only submitting on Facebook!!!

I'm not a show judge or secretary but that sounds like a pretty amazing idea (providing it caught on and a majority of judges did it!). I really want my critiques but can't afford to buy the papers every week just to see if they are in there :(

I agree put them everywhere! the papers are a lot to subscribe to if you just want your report, especially with cost of entries and travel it makes dog showing really expensive as a hobby. perhaps the papers could look at just doing a subscription for the show critiques of your chosen breed, then you don't need to buy a full paper. think this would have to be just online though to make it cheap enough.

I am still waiting for southampton - BOB, Poole - BOB (both in June) Hampshire gundog BOB, 4th best in show (end july) and now more recently national gundog and Bournemouth (both august so these are bot expected yet, didn't get BOB but won my classes)

most people are on computers everyday and on social media sites so why is it so hard for some judges to comply to the judging contract, nothing has to be hand written and posted these days. yes it is very busy show season and probably they have a show every weekend and work in between but when you agree to judge surely you factor this in and don't over stretch what your able to do. Most of the critique is done with the dog in front of you isn't it?? or is there a lot to add before sending the report off??

most people are on computers everyday and on social media sites so why is it so hard for some judges to comply to the judging contract, nothing has to be hand written and posted these days.

I don't know what it is like with dog show judges but with CAT show judges, you certainly still have a fair few that neither own a computer nor a typewriter, and hence send in their show reports handwritten. For the sake of speed the GCCF will publish them as is online in pdf format, typing them out properly later. (There is no longer a cat paper.) Believe me, sometimes it is VERY hard to read what is said!! It must take them ages to transcribe all these reports. So with the great number of dog show judges, I bet there are some there as well submitting their reports handwritten to the dog papers. Might even explain why some only send to one paper -they only have one copy.

I think it is time to move with the times and having a section here would be a great idea too, it's time that the KC stopped forcing us to pay even more money out for things that abroad they get automatically for any placement at the show.

> Most of the critique is done with the dog in front of you isn't it?? or is there a lot to add before sending the report off??

Yes, there is more to a critique than the odd notes taken on the day. I have started to take photos to assist with my critique once at home. If I just submitted the notes taken at the show it wouldnt be of use to anyone!

> most people are on computers everyday and on social media sites so why is it so hard for some judges to comply to the judging contract, nothing has to be hand written and posted these days.

That may be the majority but there are some people not online & as previously mentioned a judge still has to submit to the weekly paper/s

woo hoo Bournemouth show was last monday, critique just come on line on dog world!
Now that is speedy, but he did take notes on his iPad at the time and seemed to type a lot.

I sent my critique in the day I judged by email to both papers it then took them both three weeks to publish it some times the time it takes to be published is not the judges fault

3 weeks is ok though to wait, frustrating for the judge if they did submit earlier I guess.

My breed got the Bournemouth critiques the day after the show. :) Speediest I've ever known.