So long story short..my girl was going last week to stay over at her studs..I filled my other halfs car with deisel  with petrol and ended up bk at home lol (I know I know)I drive a petrol but for a 400 mile round trip it was supposed to work out cheaper to use his car lol WRONG...
Anyway,yesterday my girl was flirting and flagging really bad so I decided to just drive there have her mated and come home and just hope...I got there,lovely dog lovely lady all her dogs were lovely just an amazing place she had but this lad just was NOT hitting the spot.my girl stood for him like a dream so I know it wasn't her problem she was very willing backing up into him doing all the right things...he was a gentleman with her but just could not get her...he knew too...he would get off..he did get her twice...and when he started really going he would stop and get off...that's the only description I have...we tried for a good while on and off she suggested I leave them to it (strange) but I refused and stayed with my girl...I gave up in the end and refused to stay any longer as it clearly wasn't happening.
Really disappointed.i mean it's not the end of the world as I'll try again next time but definitely am not going back...just disappointed really...any ideas what was wrong?
Could it be she in fact wasn't quite ready or she's gone over and he knew OR just one of those things.
He's been used before so it wasn't inexperience..just frustrated I suppose as I couldn't believe my luck that the car had been fixed and there was maybe still time to catch her

You did not progesterone test the bitch?  I have a bitch that appears ready, flagging and willing for 2 weeks each season but the progesterone test proves she is only actually "ready" over a period of 3 days.  The blood test would have been cheaper than a 400 mile round trip and wasting your time and the stud owners time!

Two things - if the dog was an experienced stud dog, it's totally possible she wasn't right on, despite her outward actions!!   Secondly, given the distance involved, I think provided I trusted the people, I'd have left her with them if they were willing to do that.   Sometimes a stud dog can be put off if he's being expected to perform, with a strange audience.   Did they suggest you at least left the room?    And was this taking place at a time he wasn't used to doing the job ..... some dogs prefer to mate in the early morning, or late evening.   I suppose I was lucky in having my own stud dogs so even if I wanted an outside stud, at least I knew when my bitches were right on!   Frankly had these stud dog owners been experienced, they should have suggested these things to you.

This is the joy of being able to do AI.   We drove down from Toronto to Philadelphia one time (12 hours by road and same back) and when we got there, she was willing, he wasn't.   In fact she got so fed up with 'Yankie-doodle' that she turn her back on him and SAT DOWN.    It was clear we'd not get a mating that evening, so rather than risk missing it, we took them both to their vet in the morning and he checked and went ahead with an AI.   At least that put something in there!!!   We tried for a natural mating that even, and got a slip.   We came home = just 2 puppies.   We took her back the following year and went straight for an AI with the result being 5 puppies in due time.

Why not going back? What day is she on? I'd leave it 2 days and go back and there's every chance you will get a mating then. I had this with my own dog back in December. He knew the bitch wasn't ready despite the amount of flirting she did. 3 days later all was fine.

I can't go back..I work all week and I probably won't have another chance to get there again because I'm so busy I'm fully booked for weeks upon weeks.she was going to stay and the stud owner was going to bring her half way back for me but that fell through because now her hubby is poorly so really it's a blessing she didn't go last week due to me having to cancel a whole days work...I can't afford to miss work...the litter isn't overly important I shall wait til next time I just was curious as to what could have gone wrong...

I would get her progesterone tested.
I think I replied to your other posting already but this is the scenario we had with my girl and male. I tried to advise you on doing the testing to save you from exactly this...
Progesterone testing saved us getting frustrated and "confused" as despite her behavior, we knew she was not ready and the male knew this too.
He was not going to waste his energy on mating her yet (experienced males will play and test the waters but will not mate till they know it is worth their effort).
In my limited experience (about 20 matings), if she was truly over she would have told the male to go where ever and not stood for him so I would say you were more likely to be too early.

If you get the bloods out to Idexx today, you will get results tomorrow and you do not have to wonder anymore :-), you will know to go back and get your mating or know you missed it.
Even if you do not have the kit from idexx, I'm sure you can call them, they can advise on what the vet needs to put the blood in etc.

if she was truly over she would have told the male to go where ever and not stood for him so I would say you were more likely to be too early.

I would agree with that.

I have posted on here my current litter I thought she was ready at 15 days and when taken to the stud, ( a novice) he did not have a clue.
I went to a different stud which wan't possible until 2 days later and we now have 10 pups. I used the 2nd dog for her Mum but didn't keep anything as only 1 girl survived.
This time I have 5 girls to choose from.

Well if you really can't (and I see it's a very long trip!) then you just can't. Remember sperm can live for 2 or 3 days though, so if you were just a little too early and you got that slip you may yet have puppies. I'm in the same boat, took my girl Tuesday and she was a bit grumbly, experienced stud dog was keen but couldn't quite get there, same on Wednesday but she wasn't grumbling (SDO was a friend so kept her), slip on Thursday, then on Friday she was grumbling again and he wasn't very keen any more.

>any ideas what was wrong?

I'd think, too early.  Many males will make half hearted attempts, when the bitch is brought to them, if she stays they may loose interest knowing she isn't going anywhere and then mate her when she is spot on.

With my girls I have generally found they have been willing about two days before the most experienced males deign to mate them.

I'd go again tomorrow.  (I assume the dog is a proven stud?)

>my girl stood for him like a dream so I know it wasn't her problem

She wasn't ready.  And bitches will flag and stand just because they're teasers.  I have one bitch that will flag to a camel.  Anything, she's just a trollop.

Im not going back this season as its a little bit more than impossible to arrange but have spoken with the lady and shes said providing I don't fill the car with the wrong fuel again lol,i can take her along and leave her there the entire season and she will keep her there and see if it makes a difference that time

so with that said now ill ask ive read up on slip matings and im sure I know in my own mind anyway to advise others but when its yourself you get confused don't you....when he DID get her he was (is thrusting the correct term) really going it was only a matter of about 30-40 seconds is it even possible he could have released sperm into her?ive read my book of the book of the bitch and read some other threads on the whole ejaculating process and it says sperm is released after a few minutes of mating,to be honest ive not known a mating to take longer than around 3-4 minutes so now am wondering if at all possible JUST POSSIBLE hes caught her....would you say this was a slip mating?isnt a slip where he finishes but falls out and just doesn't tie...I don't think she was ready either as shes still flagging at my toy bitch...im now just curious

lmao jean

WAs he doing the ladder climbing (during which time the dog ejaculated the initial portion) as opposed to just thrusting forward which is generally before the dog has penetrated and more about aim.

During the tie the dog ejaculates mostly prostatic fluid, which is a food source for the sperm.

During Semen collection, it is noticeable that there are three fractions to the ejaculate, the first cleans the pipes, the second (the part they aim to store) is the semen rich fraction, and after that mostly prostatic fluid.

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/reprod/semeneval/dog.html

Dogs ejaculate semen as three distinctive fractions. By using a clear plastic collection tube, the delivery of these three fractions is easily monitored.

    Pre-sperm fraction: this is usually slightly cloudy in appearance and has a volume of roughly 0.5 to 2 ml.
    Sperm-rich fraction: in normal dogs, this fraction is distinctly milky in appearance.
    Prostatic fraction: this fraction is recognized as a crystal clear fluid flowing into the tube, and ejaculated slowing over a prolonged period of time. In most cases, collection is stopped as soon as this fraction is recognized.

So yes the slip mating can result in puppies.
Quote: "Most dogs stop thrusting as they begin to ejaculate."

>  I have one bitch that will flag to a camel.

And you know this How??? :) :)

ha ha ha I wondered that but was afraid of the response lol lol

It was the mental image that made me choke!!!

Particularly as I think JeanSW has Chihuahuas!!!

>  I have one bitch that will flag to a camel.

>And you know this How??? :-) :-)

All I'm willing to say is - she didn't get it off me!

pmsl how very funny jean lol lol

Ok so lastly just to keep you updated I went back (just sorted work and cutting what could be a long story short)
And got a 10-15 minute tie.she stood but grumbled until they were tied.and this was day 16!!!so am hoping now that that's done the job ;-)
Just hoping cos I'm now working til 9pm til some nights to get through the dogs I moved

Sounds good, fingers crossed!

Sophie was day 20 or 21 :) and the last mating I helped out in, the bitch was something like day 20 :).

A couple of mine are not ready until days 17 to 22.

Fingers crossed!

Good luck -sounds promising. I've had a litter from one single mating on day 17.

I've just had this same scenario, except I own the stud dog in question. The (co-)owners of the (maiden) bitch were adamant she was ready on day 12, but my (experienced) dog said otherwise and I agreed with him--the bitch was still spotting plenty of pink blood and her vulva was not looking at all distended or spongy. He was interested enough to climb up 2 or 3 times over the course of several hours but showed no great enthusiasm, and she played him up something rotten. The blame was placed on the dog. He had a second visit two days later (day 14) and achieved a 10 minute tie. We had a third visit two days later (day 16) and again he achieved a tie of 15 minutes. The moral of the story is always listen to your experienced dog, not the owner of the bitch :-)

My most recent girl was mated once day 17 for her last litter (9 puppies).  Exactly the same again this time, just one mating on day 17 and has been scanned with another good sized litter.  She will stand for my boy at home from day 9 until day 22!