Heard about this recently.   Not my breed.

Breeder stated £50 extra for registration of puppy.  Not a byb or puppy farmer.

But puzzles me why one would offer a pup without reg, or charge so much to register?

Is this more common in some breeds than others ?

I've challenged a couple of people about adverts like this - both were £100 extra. The replies were basically that is the price, that they don't have to explain or justify the price and don't ask questions if you have no intentions of buying

I can't see how they can charge extra to register seeing as you have no choice other than to register NO pups in a litter, or ALL. It can only be a question of charging extra if papers are to be handed over. In one of my breeds it is common to not hand over the registration for a PET until it is adult and has been neutered. I don't particularly agree with either scenario (especially not charging extra, that's just a rip off!) and as an AB could not do it anyway.

They are conning people simple as that.

That's usually a con, where the pups aren't actually registerable at all so the greeder hides the fact by making a 'registered' pup more expensive. People then say "Oh no, we don't need him registered" and buy the pup anyway. If people do pay the extra the papers never arrive and the owners have forgotten about it or can't be bothered chasing for them.

A breeder can register as many or as few in a litter as he/she chooses, up until a year old.

Does seem bizarre as it's only £15 to KC register a pup....extra revenue stream for the breeder
when able to pull the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting purchaser that isn't aware of the cost?

I suppose this is just a case of if the market will support this, breeders will get away with asking two prices, one for registered and one for unregistered?   It's not something I ever did - my puppies were ALWAYS registered, and I charged the going rate for puppies of my breed, at the time.   Anything seems to go these days - from this to putting a higher asking price on puppies and 'expecting' to be bargained down.   Bartering I don't do either!!!

Note - if a breeder sells a puppy as 'registered' (charging the cost for a registered puppy) and doesn't produce the paperwork, this can, and should, be reported to the Kennel Club.

Buying a KC pedigree dog should automatically include the papers to prove that they are indeed pedigree without them you may as well go for the puppy farmed or unregistered BYB's pups, there is no difference in knowing where these pups really come from, pedigree dogs for that reason in having a proven lineage, (health tests hopefully etc) cost more, people already are paying for that privilege to be factored in.

Anyone not automatically offering the paperwork with the price of a pedigree dog IMO can only be CON artists the lot of them, can't think of any reason other than a dodgy one for doing that, wouldn't touch any breeder that wished to charge extra, and I would advise any puppy buyer to walk straight passed any breeder doing that.

There is a certain BYB in my Breed who charges 4 different prices depending on the type of Registration the owner wants.

Non Registered are the cheapest at around £495 , then the price goes up for DL Reg, more for Kennel Reg and the most expensive is KC Reg at around £700.

It always amuses me that people will happily part with over £1000 for a puppy with no papers at all to say where it has come from and take this unknown quantity into their homes to play with their most precious possessions (Their children) and yet when spending £1000 on a car or buying a new fridge or TV  they need 3 years guarantee and the ins and outs of every little thing !! And they want to be able to return it if its not up to scratch, they never ask if the pup can be returned or get any follow up at all.
Priorities wrong maybe !!
Aileen

Very good point Merlot......... never understood why people go out to get a 'pedigree' dog and don't go for a KC reg one, with that proof of lineage, they may as well go home with a mongrel? :-D

Also makes NO sense at all....... why anyone would mate two KC reg dogs and not have the pups registered, utter madness, what is the point of it?

Thing is, the buyers have done everything right so far,  pup was never advertised,  found the breeder through people in the breed.   They are having the pup registered.  Personally I'd have walked away, but the person buying is the 'I want, I'll have it now' variety.

I don't know who the breeder is, but it seems odd that a pup would be offered at one price without KC Reg and another with it.  Pup was singleton, so no others to register.

>never understood why people go out to get a 'pedigree' dog and don't go for a KC reg one, with that proof of lineage, they may as well go home >with a mongrel?

I've never understood people who just go out and buy something without looking into it fully first.  Especially a pup.

These people, I'm surprised the person buying has even got this far with taking advice.  A school teacher/Head of department,  refuses to learn about anything and won't take advice on anything. 

Personally, I'd have walked away the second they asked whether I wanted the pup registered.  There's something that seems so dodgy about that, to me, even though everything else appears to be ok.

From the breeders point of view, if that single puppy wasn't registered then the litter didn't exist and doesn't come off the bitches allowance for litters bred !
You aren't paying extra for the papers you are paying for the breeders inability to register another litter from that bitch.
I have heard of unscrupulous breeders having a couple of litters of similar age and just registering the ones who's owners are willing to pay extra, but registering from both litters as if from the same litter. So that one bitch's litter remains 'invisible' and doesn't count on the KC records.

You may very well be right there Sassinak, there is always a dodgy reason why someone would not wish to register a KC parentage line, and it is usually to the detriment of the dam, being too old, too young, too many litters or not the parent at all.... People need to think first, why?.... And then walk.

Shame Dill that the person went for it....... surely they could have also found a KC reg pup with health tests and official paperwork elsewhere for a cheaper price too, without paying extra for papers that should come with the pup anyway?  Fools and their money eh?

Yes, they would have found a well bred pup easily enough.   It's a breed that isn't short on numbers at all.

It's very frustrating to me.   I have input, through the mother, but it's an uphill battle with the daughter.  

Of course,  they've seen the pup, and it's a breed which is very, very cute at this age.  So of course any sense went out of the window :-(   As did the list of questions they had (rolling eyes here)

I did suggest they ask not to see the pup until they'd asked all their questions, but it didn't happen.

I'm amazed at how many people completely lose their heads over a pup/pups

Puppy eyes, gets them every time. ;-)